Israel declares war on Hamas

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Hamas will never be eliminated. You can't kill an idea. You can't kill the hatred of Israel for all the killing of innocent Palestinian women and children.

Hamas or whatever name will come next in the future will always exist if Israel thinks it can win with death and destruction. The fathers and sons of the dead will never forget.

As soon as israel realizes this the faster they will get to peace

But you can reduce it, remember when dummies by the 1000's were joining ISIS? how did that turn out? sooner or later religious freaks either give up or die.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Hamas will never be eliminated. You can't kill an idea.

I don't really agree. It takes a really long time, but there have been tons of examples of groups of people healing long standing wounds.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I don't really agree. It takes a really long time, but there have been tons of examples of groups of people healing long standing wounds.

Yup, Nazis have been basically eradicated and Imperial Japan is no longer a thing. Palestine can have peace once Hamas is erased and they pick a government that doesn't want to murder everyone they can get their hands on.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Hamas will never be eliminated. You can't kill an idea. You can't kill the hatred of Israel for all the killing of innocent Palestinian women and children.

Hamas or whatever name will come next in the future will always exist if Israel thinks it can win with death and destruction. The fathers and sons of the dead will never forget.

As soon as israel realizes this the faster they will get to peace

Hamas needs to go - that is irrefutable. To post otherwise is asinine. Sure there is going to be a lot deal with post Hamas but hopefully the next elected government is far less radical. If not, I have very little hope for the people of Palestine.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Hamas needs to go - that is irrefutable. To post otherwise is asinine. Sure there is going to be a lot deal with post Hamas but hopefully the next elected government is far less radical. If not, I have very little hope for the people of Palestine.

Who said otherwise? I said they won't be eliminated because they won't be. Its fairly obvious even after all the destruction Hamas still is in charge.

They will survive this and only when israel gives the palestinians a better choice than Hamas will their power grip fade.

Killing innocent women and children is just making more Hamas members.

Let's not forget Netanyahu was on tape saying israel needs to prop up Hamas.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

But you can reduce it, remember when dummies by the 1000's were joining ISIS? how did that turn out? sooner or later religious freaks either give up or die.

ISIS is still a significant regional threat.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/prod...02024%2C%20U.N.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

ISIS is still a significant regional threat.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/prod...02024%2C%20U.N.

Yes, but ‘killing them only makes their movement stronger’ turns out to not be true about religious fanatics. Communities eventually run out of fanatical young dudes who are wiling to kill and die in the hopes of reaching heaven. And zap enough of the political leadership and intelligent people start to think twice about taking on a job with a 70 per cent fatality rate. It doesn’t address the root issues driving a fanatical movement, but it does hurt the organization enough that it can take a decade or more to recover.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Hamas will never be eliminated. You can't kill an idea. You can't kill the hatred of Israel for all the killing of innocent Palestinian women and children.

Hamas or whatever name will come next in the future will always exist if Israel thinks it can win with death and destruction. The fathers and sons of the dead will never forget.

As soon as Israel realizes this the faster they will get to peace

Zionism is also an idea that will never be eliminated for the many of the same reasons that people said the idea of Hamas can't be eliminated . Zionism was born out of the pogroms in Northern Africa, the Middle East, Palestine, and Europe that took place over centuries. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Hamas and Hezbollah constantly attaching Israel only creates more Zionists, and now we are seeing the result of that. October 7th certainly won't create fewer Zionists. And while being a massive attack, it was just one of countless over the years. It has had a lot of attention because of the scale, but it wasn't unheard of.

As sadly and grim as it sounds, there will neve be a lasting peace until one side loses everything. Lasting peace after almost every war demands that price.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Who said otherwise? I said they won't be eliminated because they won't be. Its fairly obvious even after all the destruction Hamas still is in charge.

They will survive this and only when israel gives the palestinians a better choice than Hamas will their power grip fade.

Killing innocent women and children is just making more Hamas members.

Let's not forget Netanyahu was on tape saying israel needs to prop up Hamas.

the problem for Israel, which is in turn the problem for Gaza and the West Bank is it doesn't matter what Israel does they will never get peace, there is no Palestinian leadership that can offer peace, Israel therefore has no incentive to do much other than what it has been doing, keeping the US happy is Israel's only real concern

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yes, but ‘killing them only makes their movement stronger’ turns out to not be true about religious fanatics. Communities eventually run out of fanatical young dudes who are wiling to kill and die in the hopes of reaching heaven. And zap enough of the political leadership and intelligent people start to think twice about taking on a job with a 70 per cent fatality rate. It doesn’t address the root issues driving a fanatical movement, but it does hurt the organization enough that it can take a decade or more to recover.

I think agressively attacking funding structures and cutting off money is probably the cause rather than killing them but more info would be required to establish a causal nature.

[PsYcNeT]

Yeah I don't think "decimate hundreds of thousands of civilians" is the best way to have less terrorism.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1718107575781404897

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Yeah I don't think "decimate hundreds of thousands of civilians" is the best way to have less terrorism.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1718107575781404897

So what is your solution?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

So what is your solution?

Search my post history, I'm not regurgitating it for the fifth time.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

So what is your solution?

The answer was in the post you quoted. You just chose to ignore it.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

So what is your solution?

What's your solution for the terrorist state of Israel? Should Iran nuke them into the stone ages?

What's your solution, huh? Guarantee you if arabs were bombing israel like israel bombed Gaza, you'd have a great solution that didn't include mass murder and killing of innocent women and children.

Always no solution when its israel doing the killing though. Just keep bombing them that'll solve it.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Yeah I don't think "decimate hundreds of thousands of civilians" is the best way to have less terrorism.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1718107575781404897

Apparently letting them run Gaza without occupation was also "not the best way to have less terrorism". It really doesn't matter what Israel does because they will be blamed for everything Hamas does anyways.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

What's your solution for the terrorist state of Israel? Should Iran nuke them into the stone ages?

What's your solution, huh? Guarantee you if arabs were bombing israel like israel bombed Gaza, you'd have a great solution that didn't include mass murder and killing of innocent women and children.

Always no solution when its israel doing the killing though. Just keep bombing them that'll solve it.

Israel has a lot of catching up to do, Gaza has fired over 30,000 rockets/missiles at Israel plus sending countless suicide bombers since 2001.

But because the Jews are better at defending themselves you blame them

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Israel has a lot of catching up to do, Gaza has fired over 30,000 rockets/missiles at Israel plus sending countless suicide bombers since 2001.

But because the Jews are better at defending themselves you blame them

Isreal dropped An estimated 45,000 bombs in the first three months of the conflict alone.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-e...nity-inclusion

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Isreal dropped An estimated 45,000 bombs in the first three months of the conflict alone.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-e...nity-inclusion

Israel dropped bombs in a war Hamas started. Hamas launched countless rockets at Israel for the last 20 years because they are terrorists. There is a massive difference that you are choosing to ignore.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

They will survive this and only when israel gives the palestinians a better choice than Hamas will their power grip fade.

You mean like when Israel left Gaza about 20 years ago to give Palestinian independence? Think of how that Palestinians returned the favor to Israel, with non stop rockets.

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Let's not forget Netanyahu was on tape saying israel needs to prop up Hamas.

And in your next post you will condemn the starvation of Palestinians because Israel isn't delivering food. Anything Israel does for you is bad.