2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think what people are saying is that it doesn’t even need to have anything to do with him “getting it wrong.” He likely heard that from a reputable source, but that doesn’t mean it’s the actual truth any more than it means that’s the message the reputable source wanted to get out.

Great point. New Jersey was pissed and they threw shade at Calgary publicly so wouldn't put it past them to do that.

[1qqaaz]

Well Dreger, Nonis's cousin, generally very reliable, said that someone up top shut it down. He implied that it was ownership: "I think ownership, and senior management, has this idea that, as long as we keep our Vezina quality goaltender, we got a chance of getting back into that playoff mix... I'm not on that side, but I can appreciate why ownership would think that way...This is what I'm sure Conroy is trying to advise to Moloney and Murray Edwards, the problem is, if we get to the offseason..."

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nothing I have heard indicates management or Maloney pulled the plug on the Markstrom trade.

Do you have Twitter? Like to follow you if you're an insder.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Do you have Twitter? Like to follow you if you're an insder.

I’d like to understand what Twitter has to do with anything.

[PaperBagger'14]

We also have this tidbit from Sec214 as well, this was a bit after the initial close trade I believe:

Originally Posted by Sec214

I was sent a message from one of my people based in Boston, who said NJD and another team (Retention Team) were working with conroy on a trade for Markstrom again. Said it was close and then followed up with felt it was extremely close, Mercer was never put on the table however - They tried multiple ways to get it done without moving Mercer in the last 10 days. Instead it turns out it was just another attempt to see if conroy was desperate.

This was not a case of the best deal being the initial offer.

I do believe Markstrom had only been approached and consulted on NJD and no other teams. This will get resolved in the summer.

I have a pretty good intel on the whole saga, I just can’t share much but the time will come.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’d like to understand what Twitter has to do with anything.

Thats where I follow the insiders at to get news more quickly.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Thats where I follow the insiders at to get news more quickly.

It’s better here for the Flames.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It’s better here for the Flames.

Yeah but things can get lost in threads.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

One of the insiders here says they have a good handle on the story. We will find out, but Maloney nixing the deal makes no sense on the timeline, logic or what we know about Conroy's deals.

It was Bean, he’s responsible for going to Edwards when your talking spending millions on an asset that isn’t apart of your hockey operations.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sec214

It was Bean, he’s responsible for going to Edwards when your talking spending millions on an asset that isn’t apart of your hockey operations.

That doesn't make sense to me. How is a player not part of hockey ops? What was Holtz going to be asking for anyway?

I think that Conroy may have told them he really wanted Mercer and when Mercer was never going to be on the table, the alternative deal wasn't good enough for upstairs.

Conroy really wanting Mercer makes sense based on what he's said about positional needs, and how he's made his trades.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

The more that comes to light about all of this, the more I’m starting to think that nothing was really eminent and the leak came from the Devils side of things in an attempt to put pressure on Conroy

Markstrom being asked to waive would suggest the deal had to be somewhat close. Markstrom going out of his way to call out management after the deal fell through would suggest it was somewhat close. The Devils being upset and walking away from the deal would suggest it was somewhat close. I don't think all those things happen if they were just having some very casual initial talks.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That doesn't make sense to me. How is a player not part of hockey ops? What was Holtz going to be asking for anyway?

I think that Conroy may have told them he really wanted Mercer and when Mercer was never going to be on the table, the alternative deal wasn't good enough for upstairs.

Conroy really wanting Mercer makes sense based on what he's said about positional needs, and how he's made his trades.

I think he might be referring to retention on Markstrom ie spending millions on a player that won’t be part of your hockey ops.

So maybe he means Bean didn’t sell well enough to Edwards or something? I dunno.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think he might be referring to retention on Markstrom ie spending millions on a player that won’t be part of your hockey ops.

So maybe he means Bean didn’t sell well enough to Edwards or something? I dunno.

Maybe, though I think retention is still "hockey ops". We doi know the deal hinged over retention and compensation. I speculate the ask for Markstrom retained was 1st/Holtz/Mercer. NJD said no and offered 1st/Holtz for Markstrom not retained. Calgary said 1st/Mercer and the deal fell there.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sec214

It was Bean, he’s responsible for going to Edwards when your talking spending millions on an asset that isn’t apart of your hockey operations.

Bean nixed the deal? I get looking after the money aspect but should he be telling edwards his thoughts on talent? Maybe I’m not reading the post correctly.

[Roof-Daddy]

Maybe ownership is just fine retaining on expiring contracts but more hesitant to retain on contracts with multiple years left on them and want to be properly compensated for doing so.

For example, the Flames paid a 1st round pick to unload Monahan and his $6 million remaining, if the Flames were to retain 50% on Markstrom that would be $6 million total as well I believe. So they probably wanted a 1st round pick on top of whatever they already believed Markstrom was worth on his own.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Markstrom being asked to waive would suggest the deal had to be somewhat close. Markstrom going out of his way to call out management after the deal fell through would suggest it was somewhat close. The Devils being upset and walking away from the deal would suggest it was somewhat close. I don't think all those things happen if they were just having some very casual initial talks.

I’m not disagreeing with you but do we know for sure he was asked to wave? Do we know what he was upset about when he called out management? Is it possible that he was upset about the leak before he was talked to?

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Markstrom being asked to waive would suggest the deal had to be somewhat close. Markstrom going out of his way to call out management after the deal fell through would suggest it was somewhat close. The Devils being upset and walking away from the deal would suggest it was somewhat close. I don't think all those things happen if they were just having some very casual initial talks.

There's a difference between being asked to waive and being asked if you'd be willing to waive. The former requires legal processing, the latter is just a conversation about whether they're wasting their time talking to this team.

[Rick M.]

The Devils are behind 3-0 to the Coyotes in the 2nd period. I wonder if they could use a goalie?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Do you have Twitter? Like to follow you if you're an insder.

I do not have Twitter and I am not an insider either. I know a few people, that's all. I wish I was an insider, my financial situation would be a lot nicer!

[Calgary4LIfe]

One of the tidbits that came out in the long list of rumours was that the compensation for retention was not enough. Sounded like the Flames were fine retaining over multiple years, but that they have a figure in their head as to how much they should be compensated for it.


If it was 2 million a season, I would actually expect MORE than what Monahan received. Money was about right (Monahan just over 6 million a season), but the Flames would also be further hamstrung with using up one of only 3 retention spots over that duration., They could potentially miss out on an opportunity to act as a middle-man between two teams, plus they may even have a deal nixed because they don't have a retention spot left to make a deal happen (like Kuzmenko, or whomever else they trade in the next off-season).


There is the cost for retention, plus (IMO) the cost of using up a retention spot over multiple years.