I think it's time Treliving starts taking some serious heat

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I like Matt stajan but we need to be honest about this. His contract is terrible. I don't care what kind of role he has on the team or in the dressing room. Having a guy making $4m for five goals this season is pretty terrible.

For $1.5m his contract isn't bad.

Thankfully he doesn't make close to $4 million.

[Brewmaster]

It's important to put things into context and see the bigger picture when looking at Treliving's body of work. Byron and Granlund are both having great seasons, and Brouwer has been underwhelming so far, but the Flames needed to get bigger and tougher to compete in the West, especially on the RW. Treliving has put together a well balanced team that doesn't appear to have any huge weaknesses as they transition from rebuild to potential contender.

I also think the trade he pulled off to get Hamilton is one of the best deals since Sutter brought in Kiprusoff for a 2nd rounder. Guys like Hamilton hardly ever become available in the NHL and we are watching him steadily improve into one of the league's best defensemen. I look back and am still amazed that Boston let him go for some draft picks that look unlikely to become impact players in the NHL.

[Tinordi]

A couple of games ago Brouwer had a corsi for of 0% through two periods. (baghead)

Regardless of what he does if the Flames make the playoffs, we need to hope that Las Vegas takes him.

All that said, besides the ridiculous Brouwer contact (which was bad from day one but understandable why he thought he needed him), I'm very happy with Treliving. Best GM since Fletcher.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Brewmaster

It's important to put things into context and see the bigger picture when looking at Treliving's body of work. Byron and Granlund are both having great seasons, and Brouwer has been underwhelming so far, but the Flames needed to get bigger and tougher to compete in the West, especially on the RW. Treliving has put together a well balanced team that doesn't appear to have any huge weaknesses as they transition from rebuild to potential contender.

I also think the trade he pulled off to get Hamilton is one of the best deals since Sutter brought in Kiprusoff for a 2nd rounder. Guys like Hamilton hardly ever become available in the NHL and we are watching him steadily improve into one of the league's best defensemen. I look back and am still amazed that Boston let him go for some draft picks that look unlikely to become impact players in the NHL.

Granlund is an average player that is benefitting right now from playing with the Sedins. His 20 goal season is no more impressive than Colborne's 19 goal, 44 point season last year as it's on losing teams where he's playing more than he would on a good team. He wouldn't be getting over 17 minutes a game with the Flames.

Byron IMO is a more valuable player than Granlund because he brings a lot more to the table outside of scoring as he's great on the PK and his speed can be a game changer. When Granlund isn't scoring he's invisible.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

A couple of games ago Brouwer had a corsi for of 0% through two periods. (baghead)

Spoiler!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Really? Who thought Frolik signing was bad? Pretty much every one loves Frolik don't know where you got that from.

Not, me, but there were a few people who figured Frolik was overpaid from the start and wouldn't let it go..

[Greybeard]

I believe that you have to look at the complete body of work for a GM. Tre has made a couple of moves that turned out not so well but also has done some great ones. We are in second place in the PCific and 4th inWest. With a rebuilding team that gets younger every year. Record speaks for itself.

[Robbob]

I don't understand why this whole Granlund thing keeps coming up. It was a roster limit issue where the options were a) get an asset b) risk losing him for nothing c) keep him and use a roster spot on him which that probably means Versteeg or Tkachuk isn't here.

If anything Treliving learned from the Byron incident and chose a) because he knew he wouldn't go through waivers and he didn't want to be painted into a corner again.

Do people honestly think Granlund would make this current team better playing on the 4th line?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Do people honestly think Granlund would make this current team?

fyp

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I don't understand why this whole Granlund thing keeps coming up. It was a roster limit issue where the options were a) get an asset b) risk losing him for nothing c) keep him and use a roster spot on him which that probably means Versteeg or Tkachuk isn't here.

If anything Treliving learned from the Byron incident and chose a) because he knew he wouldn't go through waivers and he didn't want to be painted into a corner again.

Do people honestly think Granlund would make this current team better playing on the 4th line?

The issue is that they were playing bollig and jooris at the time. Granlund slots as center which was jammed choosing Stajan there instead. Kind of same thing as Byron.

I do think granlund on 4th line instead of stajan would be better and that is before considering the money and after considering the locker room.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

The issue is that they were playing bollig and jooris at the time. Granlund slots as center which was jammed choosing Stajan there instead. Kind of same thing as Byron.

I do think granlund on 4th line instead of stajan would be better and that is before considering the money and after considering the locker room.

Granlund on the 4th line is not better than Stajan. Granlund doesn't even play as a centre very much, including with Vancouver, and is terrible on faceoffs compared to Stajan.

And "before considering money"? Money has nothing to do with it - keeping Granlund doesn't remove Stajan's salary, and I doubt any team would relieve Calgary of that obligation.

When Treliving traded Granlund, it wasn't about the roster at that time, so Bollig and Jooris are irrelevant. He traded Granlund because of waiver impacts this season, and it's pretty obvious that Jooris at the least wasn't going to be part of the team.

[Flash Walken]

The H is O.

I'm going to pick up Treliving in 3 lines or less, and by tomorrow I"m going to have Brad Treliving Stank all over me!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not, me, but there were a few people who figured Frolik was overpaid from the start and wouldn't let it go..

Looking back at the thread it's overwhelmingly positive. GrandtedEV has some takes that are interesting but nothing too surprising I suppose. The best is Oil Stain staining.

I thought this was an alright deal when Benoit Pouliot signed it last summer, and I think its an alright deal now.

[JerryUnderscore]

This year Paul Byron is shooting 23.2% and Markus Granlund is shooting at 17%. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking those levels are sustainable for either player. (Before this year Byron's career shooting percentage was 15.82% while Granlund's was 12.31%)

They're both having great years, and that will naturally cause us Flames fans some consternation, but it's not like we let elite players walk for nothing.

Both players will come back down to earth next year and, at least in Granlund's case, we'll once again be glad we traded him.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

This year Paul Byron is shooting 23.2% and Markus Granlund is shooting at 17%. Let's not kind ourselves into thinking those levels are sustainable for either player. (Before this year Byron's career shooting percentage was 15.82% while Granlund's was 12.31%)

They're both having great years, and that will naturally cause us Flames fans some consternation, but it's not like we let elite players walk for nothing.

Both players will come back down to earth next year and, at least in Granlund's case, we'll once again be glad we traded him.

Byron is very useful outside of his goal scoring. Granlund never showed that

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

...Both players will come back down to earth next year and, at least in Granlund's case, we'll once again be glad we traded him.

I don't know about "glad," but I certainly refuse to rue the day that the Flames traded Granlund. Its is possible to just be okay with something, and to not resort to extreme elation or crushing depression with every transaction.

The Granlund trade was fine. It was not "great" for the Flames, and it was not bad for the Flames. It just happened, and that is all.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't know about "glad," but I certainly refuse to rue the day that the Flames traded Granlund. Its is possible to just be okay with something, and to not resort to extreme elation or crushing depression with every transaction.

The Granlund trade was fine. It was not "great" for the Flames, and it was not bad for the Flames. It just happened, and that is all.

Yes, I supposed I was speaking a little hyperbolically. Glad maybe be extreme, but my point was simply that we don't need to sit here and create a narrative that suggests Treliving traded an elite player for beans.

Granlund for Shinkaruk isn't a terrible deal. I hope Shinkaruk eventually finds a home with the parent club and can contribute 15 goals a season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

Yes, I supposed I was speaking a little hyperbolically. Glad maybe be extreme, but my point was simply that we don't need to sit here and create a narrative that suggests Treliving traded an elite player for beans.

Granlund for Shinkaruk isn't a terrible deal. I hope Shinkaruk eventually finds a home with the parent club and can contribute 15 goals a season.

Yeah, sorry if you felt this was directed specifically to you. That is exactly what I was getting at.

I was speaking more to the handful of posters who do not seem capable of any emotions other than seething rage and ecstasy.

[GioforPM]

Back OT, Treliving has been as solid a GM as any out there right now.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Back OT, Treliving has been as solid a GM as any out there right now.

If anything, he is generating his own heat.