2 dead & 6 injured as teens take after hours sled ride down Winsport bobsleigh track

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Reaper

If they truly asked me what I thought about the situation I would attempt to be as honest as possible. I try to live truthfully and directly when it comes to others.

Would I seek them out to throw the folly of them accepting an idea without evidence in their face on top of losing their kids or the kid losing his eye?

Of course, not. I'm not a monster.

Would I tell them their method of coping is stupid no matter how ridiculous I find it on top of the tragedies?

No way, I'm not looking to hurt anyone especially when they're at most likely the lowest point in their life.

So, I should try to hurt people when they are down? I'm specifically avoiding being horrid to people because I believe in being kind. That is why I was annoyed by the whole "god saved muh boy" rigamarole in the paper. The complete lack of sensitivity towards the parents of the departed kids by rolling that out in a newspaper article.


I also never said that they couldn't use whatever coping method they felt like going with. However the flip side of that is that I can still deem it distasteful. I can even think it is illogical because it is my opinion. I don't have to hurt people because I disagree with them so I generally let people cope how they want to. You do you; I'll do me.

Their method of coping isn't stupid. Questioning it is stupid since it literally doesn't effect you.

Have you ever lost someone close to you? If so, how did/do you cope?

all the boys in this tragedy were religious so don't think the other parents mind if the boys parents use God to cope with the situation since they're doing the same thing.

I even agree with you that it's foolish to think everything was written and it's gods will. There were mistakes made that night that led to the deaths and injuries, not gods plans. There is zero reason to state the opinion that using God to cope is stupid unless your goal is to be an ass.

I really don't even see the point in your arguments, just seems another way for you to be an ass and tell us you don't believe in a god.

And for the wheelchair arguments above, I agree it would suck for someone to constantly tell you you're going to a better place when you don't believe in it but that's just ignorance of the person telling you not them tryin to be rude or harm you. You can easily brush it off which you probably did and didn't mention an imaginary man in the sky LOL like you did behind a computer screen.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

didn't mention an imaginary man in the sky LOL like you did behind a computer screen.

No I stood up using a KAFO and my "good" leg and proclaimed it was a "meeerriceeellll, praise Jebus!" (I didn't think of that until about 20 minutes after the last conversation about the lord saving me.) Let it be known that the next time, I'm going with the I can walk again miracle...or I'll fall out of the chair and claim the person hit me and knocked me down... Not sure what I'll do.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Miraculously in real life atheists don't say anything.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

So. Being logical and realistic makes me a dick?
Xtians sure have funny logic.

No telling someone who went through a traumatic experience that their coping method is stupid makes you a dink. Go picket funerals or go to the airport and make fun of people with stress animals you might enjoy that to.

The existence of God doesn't matter in this case. They find value in their belief and that belief is providing real benefit to them. So you telling them it's stupid is both incorrect and makes you a dink.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

the kids survived due to the complete randomness of the universe and help from first responders, nothing more. Now they will sleep at night with the belief that it was gods plan for the victims to die and the survivors to live.

And if that allows them to sleep at night how is this a bad thing.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Even though I'm sure Mike Pence would have no problems telling the parents of a gay kid that their child needs conversion therapy and Jesus.

And that would make Mike Pence a dink.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

So. Being logical and realistic makes me a dick?
Xtians sure have funny logic.

Irrational Stuff That Isn't Explicitly Christian But Which A Lot of People Do Anyway:

* Believing people are noble or worthy of admiration just because they've suffered.

* Funerals.

* Moment of silence on Remembrance Day.

* National anthems.

* Caring about the deaths of famous musicians and actors more than anonymous random people.

* Talking to pets and otherwise treating them like they're little people.

* Valentine's Day.

* Avidly following another country's political affairs.

* Identifying emotionally with sports teams.

I await your expressions of logical and realistic contempt for all these beliefs.

[Fuzz]

Each and every one of those can be explained thusly:

People have emotional connections to real tangible things. Religion is different, because god isn't real or tangible.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Irrational Stuff That Isn't Explicitly Christian But Which A Lot of People Do Anyway

Lol, wtf, that doesn't even make sense.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Lol, wtf, that doesn't even make sense.

Well the left seems to believe that burning money will solve global warming, how is that any more silly?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by GGG

No telling someone who went through a traumatic experience that their coping method is stupid makes you a dink. Go picket funerals or go to the airport and make fun of people with stress animals you might enjoy that too.

Lol, wtf that doesn't even make sense.
Ps, I'm not telling them anything, we're discussing it in an OT sub on a hockey forum.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

Well the left seems to believe that burning money will solve global warming, how is that any more silly?

Lol wtf, that makes even less sense.
Or maybe you want to explain your statement.

[taco.vidal]

Lots of #######s in this thread.

[DownInFlames]

Naggers?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Each and every one of those can be explained thusly:

People have emotional connections to real tangible things. Religion is different, because god isn't real or tangible.

The existence of God is immaterial to the affects derived from the belief in God.

As far as sports teams go if it was about the physics team it shouldn't matter if you are cheering for the oilers or the flames. And yet one is good and the other is no good.

[DuffMan]

So, they could have said their belief in the Calgary Flames spared their lives, but not their friends?
They could have said a prayer to a high school chess team before the slide?
Your logic is terrible.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Your logic is terrible.

And you're in denial about how many deeply irrational beliefs you have.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

And you're in denial about how many deeply irrational beliefs you have.

Such as?
I don't think the word "beliefs" means what you think it means.

[DionTheDman]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...gion-1.3963997

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Their method of coping isn't stupid. Questioning it is stupid since it literally doesn't effect you.

I read their spiel in the article and found it distasteful. I mentioned it. If the criteria for commenting on things on a message board is that the topic has to directly affect the commenter then calgarypuck is going to get a lot quieter. This is supposed to be a place for the discussion of topics so I am doing so. You are allowed to not like everything everyone says without vilifying them. Crazy, I know.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Have you ever lost someone close to you? If so, how did/do you cope?

Yes, I have lost lots of people close to me. Both sets of grandparents, my father, two aunts, four uncles, three cousins, and a few friends. All gone. I coped by reminiscing on good memories that I've had with them. I actually took comfort in the fact that everyone eventually faces death and that it is just the natural course of life. If someone thought that was stupid I'd say they were allowed to think that but maybe don't get all up in my face while I'm still grieving. Just like I'm stating my thought on a message board and not calling 411 to get the number of the parents so I can tell them they aren't being logical. I have more tact than to attack a person grieving the loss of a loved one.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

all the boys in this tragedy were religious so don't think the other parents mind if the boys parents use God to cope with the situation since they're doing the same thing.

Imagine that one of the parents had some doubts and were just sticking with their religion for the social and support aspects of it. Then someone suggests that god wanted their child to live. This implies that god didn't want the children who died to survive so he/she/whatever didn't save them like the other kids. Surely you can see why this might be considered a "Richard abbreviation word" thing to do, right?

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I even agree with you that it's foolish to think everything was written and it's gods will. There were mistakes made that night that led to the deaths and injuries, not gods plans. There is zero reason to state the opinion that using God to cope is stupid unless your goal is to be an ass.

I really don't even see the point in your arguments, just seems another way for you to be an ass and tell us you don't believe in a god.

At this point I'm asserting my right to the opinion because once someone tells me how to think I get pissed off. I'm not telling anyone else how to think either. So sorry that everyone has gotten their jimmies rustled because I have a different opinion. The thought police aren't going to show up to haul me off.

People are behaving as if everything they do has to be approved of by everyone else. People can agree to disagree without name calling. I literally cannot understand why people cannot accept that I think differently and I'm not a monster for having that opinion.