[Trade] Bouwmeester to Blues for conditional 2013 1st, Cundari and goaltender Reto Berra

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And in the big picture, they didn't do themselves an favours for that one and done experience.

Calgary and Miami are 2 very different markets. Miami need big names and headlines. Fans in Calgary demand a true contender.

yeah, throw a lot of dough at big name players and give them NMC/NTC to sign here to 'contend'. How has that worked for the past 10+ years?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

Man, Iginla played for 16 years in calgary and had a no movement clause. He was also the franchise player and has done 10 times more for this franchise than J Bo who hasn't even made the playoffs.

Iginla went to Pitt, who was on his list.

J bos deal didn't get half the press Iginla did. They blew the Iginla sweepstakes way out of proportion.

Iginla did calgary a favour, that a fact.

No, it simply isn't. This whole premis is rediculous. Iggy did Calgary a fact because he went to play with Sid and Malkin to try and win a cup this year versus sticking it out and playing on the Flames? Failing to see how that works.

Also, failing to see how he screwed us either. He had the NMC, and he used it. That's not screwing us either.

All in all, seems like a business deal went down the way it should. But nobody was taken a little less than the situation offered up, and pretending Iggy F'd us or that he did us a favour is silly.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by cubistcastle

For those comparing this against the Regehr trade, would you rather have a 15-20th pick or two 50-60th picks? They aren't similar in value.

Nobody is arguing that. The argument is that Regehr is a 5th d-man at best at this point in his career and he still got 2 2nds. Bouwmeester is a #1 d-man and only got a 1st and C level prospects. Bouw should have got a blue chip prospect instead of mediocre prospects.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

You seriously think that we can move our STL and PIT pick for a top 3 pick? Anything is possible I'm sure but look at COL and FLA as the likely owners of the other top 3 picks and ask yourself how realistic that is.

Feaster isn't done yet. Those may not be the only picks in play.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by dino7c

-38 in his time in Calgary, 6.68 million dollars

that screams top pairing to me

+/- is the most useless stat in hockey.

[Hyde]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

We can't judge these trades right. Let the draft play out, let's get these prospects signed. See what we have.

Shhh...stop using logic.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

You seriously think that we can move our STL and PIT pick for a top 3 pick? Anything is possible I'm sure but look at COL and FLA as the likely owners of the other top 3 picks and ask yourself how realistic that is.

Agree. The only chance would be if Colorado of Florida want a roster player as well. Cammy+18th+30th for top 5. I'd do it, get this rebuild started off right.

[Goodlad]

The way I look a it is in these type of trades you're going to get two types of prospects off of other teams:

1) Prospects that were at one time highly touted by the organization, but have since failed to develop properly and somewhat fallen out of favor (Joe Morrow)

2) Prospects that were either drafted low, undrafted, or are not the top couple prospects in an area of strength for the organization.

With the first type of prospect you can hope they get back on track and live up to earlier expectations, but it's not a guarantee. With the second type you have to focus on prospects that aren't just living up to their draft position, but are outperforming it. It seems like all of the guys Feaster has targeted are doing that. Only time will tell if this strategy pays off in the long run, but I think it's the right one to take.

Also, keeping the 1st rd picks in the deal obviously effects what caliber of prospects are included. If we really wanted a Schwartz/Rattie that first would have become a 2nd/3rd. Again, I think it's better to keep the first.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Gee, another deal where Feaster was forced into a deal and was crapped on big time with the return. Didn't turn out so bad did it? He inherited a mess, but that doesn't seem to matter to the majority of posters on the site. You don't like him, I get it, but context plays a big factor into virtually every deal he has had to make.

How does Feaster get a pass for the mess inherited, when he admitted that he chose the wrong path to take since he took over?

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

How do we trade a defensemen that plays 30 min a game for no NHL players in return?

The teams that are buying now don't want to give up roster players, and if they did, they'd be bottom pairing/4th line types who would do us no good. I'd much rather get draft picks and prospects than make quantity for quality trades for fringe NHL guys.

[calgARI]

I think Calgary gets one of the Columbus first rounders.

[Max Cow Disease]

Man, folks sure have been spending a lot of time on the hate-wagon, lately. Is some GM supposed to come in here and start fleecing a bunch of NHL teams in trades for this crappy team's assets? My Lord...

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Young-Sneezy

uhhh, we get to choose a top prospect in a deep draft in the first round......how much more top end of prospects can you get, catered to your teams scouts?

I'd prefer one that has already been picked by someone else within the last couple years, and has already proven to be a top prospect. I'd rather have a team's Baertschi then a chance at picking another Fata, Kobasew, D. Tkachuk, Kidd, etc etc etc.

Besides, he said he wanted a first round pick AND a top prospect, not a first round pick and two low prospects.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by calgARI

I think Calgary gets one of the Columbus first rounders.

1 point out of the playoffs, they're likely buyers, so I hope you're right.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by calgARI

I think Calgary gets one of the Columbus first rounders.

Tanguay, Stempniak, Cammy or Stajan. Pick your poison Columbus. We're willing to do bulk trades too.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

That's fair. I guess in my mind and my past trade proposals i had the flames eating $2 million of salary so they could get a better prospect. I have no idea why they didn't? They should not be thinking about spending money on the ufa market this summer considering they are in rebuild.

KK said that they were going to do the rebuild as fast as possible. The fastest way to do it is with quality prospects. Ownership is not cheap, so i still can't fathom why they did not eat salary for a better prospect.

A-ha. So get 1st round picks as well as players in their early 20s who might be able to step in sooner rather than later. I see a trend developing in these trades. If any of the 4 prospects that we have acquired in these deals and we are in bonus territory.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Agreed, but if you do have a shot at drafting two of the top 3, you take it.

I doubt a ~15th and a ~29th pick gets you a top five pick, probably a top 10 pick... would prolly have to throw in something else too.

[3thirty]

nm

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by calgary2220

seen Cundari play alot with Windsor, average player on a good team. Played with Nemisz, same thing with him, drafted higher then they should have been only cause of the team they where on. Could be a 5-7 d man, but lacks size and speed.

Right now he's a great player on a bad team. Peoria is last in their division and he's the best defenseman on the team.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Agree. The only chance would be if Colorado of Florida want a roster player as well. Cammy+18th+30th for top 5. I'd do it, get this rebuild started off right.

But if Cammy gets you a 1st at next year's deadline, why do you do this? Yes we need quality but you will get quality in the 1st round. We are building from the ground up so we can't bank on a couple of good players - look where that got us with Iggy. We need to draft a team and all positions. Think of it like lottery tickets, the more you have, the greater the chance you will win. But if you go for 1 x $20 ticket vs. 4 x $5 tickets, you have a greater chance of missing which has been known to happen with 1st rounders (Stefan/Daigle). I do hope we keep our picks and draft a number of good players instead of swinging for the fences all out in order to get a couple of picks in the top 3.