2022-23 Flu/covid/RSV season

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Province's are in charge of running their own health care. Did you vote UCP? They do not have a plan to make healthcare better.

Which province(s) should we be looking to as model for increasing access to healthcare?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Which province(s) should we be looking to as model for increasing access to healthcare?

Couldn't tell you. I am not in the field and I do not follow/access other provinces health care. I can tell you what Alberta is doing isn't working

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Azure

No Canadian should support any government that doesn't have a 20-30 year in plan in place to fix this problem.

Just imagine how many times a conservative government in Alberta could centralize, then decentralize AHS as a solution over and over again during that timeframe!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Children are our future though and we can't risk any potential negative impact on their lives. They deserve treatment above everyone else. Old guys like you and I have contributed everything we can already and we're just a drag on society so we can be put out to pasture.

I'm telling you...'Logan's Run' was on to something.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Go look at the health care spending trends the past 10 years. It has gone up progressively, and yet almost every aspect of the system is getting worse.

It really hasn't, unless you're speaking only in nominal terms (which is useless given that inflation exists). 10 years ago total health care costs were about 10.6% of GDP in Canada, whereas now they're about 11%. So a very minor 3-4% increase in the face of a quickly aging population and the continuing fallout from COVID.

Whereas in that same time period places like Germany, Switzerland, the UK, New Zealand, etc. increased their health spending as a % of GDP by ~15% in response to their aging populations.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by opendoor

It really hasn't, unless you're speaking only in nominal terms (which is useless given that inflation exists). 10 years ago total health care costs were about 10.6% of GDP in Canada, whereas now they're about 11%. So a very minor 3-4% increase in the face of a quickly aging population and the continuing fallout from COVID.

Whereas in that same time period places like Germany, Switzerland, the UK, New Zealand, etc. increased their health spending as a % of GDP by ~15% in response to their aging populations.

I'm telling you....'Logan's Run.'

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm telling you....'Logan's Run.'

Hear me out here, Logan's Run PLUS Soylent Green! Two birds and all that...

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Couldn't tell you. I am not in the field and I do not follow/access other provinces health care. I can tell you what Alberta is doing isn't working

I think you’ll find there isn’t a province in Canada where people are happy with access to healthcare. And this has been the case for a long time. If a problem persists for 15 years in every province, and under every party, maybe the problem is structural.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Hear me out here, Logan's Run PLUS Soylent Green! Two birds and all that...

We could solve a lot of social problems in one fell swoop...plus lower taxes and balance the budget!

Hmm....

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by opendoor

It really hasn't, unless you're speaking only in nominal terms (which is useless given that inflation exists). 10 years ago total health care costs were about 10.6% of GDP in Canada, whereas now they're about 11%. So a very minor 3-4% increase in the face of a quickly aging population and the continuing fallout from COVID.

Whereas in that same time period places like Germany, Switzerland, the UK, New Zealand, etc. increased their health spending as a % of GDP by ~15% in response to their aging populations.

We do need to spend more. But I’m skeptical that simply increasing health care budgets without structural reform will substantially increase capacity. One of the reasons the feds are digging in their heels about increasing health transfers to provinces is previous injections of funding have not had the intended effect of increasing capacity. Instead, it just gets consumed into the budget without meaningful improvements in metrics. So the feds want commitments in how the money is spent, while the provinces protest that they have sole jurisdiction over health care.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by opendoor

It really hasn't, unless you're speaking only in nominal terms (which is useless given that inflation exists). 10 years ago total health care costs were about 10.6% of GDP in Canada, whereas now they're about 11%. So a very minor 3-4% increase in the face of a quickly aging population and the continuing fallout from COVID.

Whereas in that same time period places like Germany, Switzerland, the UK, New Zealand, etc. increased their health spending as a % of GDP by ~15% in response to their aging populations.

Just came in to say this. The problem isn't bloated bureaucracy or inefficient spending, though those things may or may not exist to some extent. It's also not a singular disease like the opioid crisis, COVID, or even obesity, though they all do contribute to the problem.

The top 3 problems are demographics, demographics, and also demographics. We can offer more health interventions for more diseases than ever, which increase overall need, but the primary driver of both increased usage and decreased human resources is the same. It's a large and increasing number of old people. Full stop

[flamesfever]

The main factors affecting our health care system in the past 5 years are:

1. Covid

2. Unbridled immigration

3. Aging population

4. Technological transition

Some of the things we need to fix:

1. More money in form of taxation

2. More healthcare professionals e.g. doctors (GPs and Specialists), nurses (RNs and LPNs), personal care attendants, etc.

3. More efficient administration

4. Technologists

5. Better cooperation between Governments

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Just came in to say this. The problem isn't bloated bureaucracy or inefficient spending, though those things may or may not exist to some extent. It's also not a singular disease like the opioid crisis, COVID, or even obesity, though they all do contribute to the problem.

The top 3 problems are demographics, demographics, and also demographics. We can offer more health interventions for more diseases than ever, which increase overall need, but the primary driver of both increased usage and decreased human resources is the same. It's a large and increasing number of old people. Full stop

Ahem...I have addressed this issue and offered a solution.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

Ahem...I have addressed this issue and offered a solution.

I'm right in line after you. Already booked my spot on the conveyor belt

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm right in line after you. Already booked my spot on the conveyor belt

Its seems absurd that you have to pay more for First Class, but what can you expect when you outsource the Conveyor system to airlines??

[Locke]

"Oh damn...thats not your luggage? We shipped this guy all the way to Buffalo?"

[kn]

My family has been sick all of December. The four year old got it from preschool, passed it on to me, and I passed it on to my wife. I’m taking the brunt of it — going on ten days with little improvement. Phlegmy cough, congestion, leaking eye, headache. All of us are fully updated on the latest shots so it’s frustrating to say the least that this thing won’t go away. The family doctor said there is nothing he can do.

The right thing to do is not go to work on the second but I doubt management will think highly of such pansies.


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[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Locke

We could solve a lot of social problems in one fell swoop...plus lower taxes and balance the budget!

Hmm....

No government pension plans to debate!

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Locke

We could solve a lot of social problems in one fell swoop...plus lower taxes and balance the budget!

Hmm....

Just to clarify, there would be a "grandfather" clause for those of us already older than 30, right?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by D as in David

No government pension plans to debate!

Its brilliant. The sheer savings are almost unfathomable.

No CPP withholdings, no Government or Private pensions, theres no point in saving your money so inject all of that straight into the economy...Housing? If you're done by 30 that opens a whole host of residences available and it opens up the supply so drops the prices...

Think of it. It could be amazing.