The New American Politics thread

[Mike F]

LOL.. "And then we'll wrap up the big acceptance speech with a rousing version of 'You Can't Always Get What You Want'!"

[return to the red]

dear god this is really happening. I look at the Trump-Pence signs and I just can't really believe it still

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Trump's running mate supports free trade (and TPP specifically I believe), as do most Republicans. He won't be renegotiating or cancelling any deals, Congress has to approve that.

But the deal is what he does. He always gets the best deals, from the best people, with the best s*** at the lowest price.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Trump's running mate supports free trade (and TPP specifically I believe), as do most Republicans. He won't be renegotiating or cancelling any deals, Congress has to approve that.

Something Trump just doesn't understand.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mike F

LOL.. "And then we'll wrap up the big acceptance speech with a rousing version of 'You Can't Always Get What You Want'!"

Stuff like this, and the Michelle speech copy is what keeps me holding out hope that this is all a big troll job.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Honest question: why are more people not against illegal immigration?

I just don't get it.

Sure it would be difficult and inhuman to round up current illegal aliens, but to me sealing the boarder is a no brainer.

Because its a bull#### issue that no nothing morons think is real. The vast majority of illegals do honest labor and pay into the system without taking benefit from it. But they are a real easy target and suckers buy the #### and bull story.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Like I said earlier, it sounded to me a lot like a speech any of the other GOP front runners could have given, except for Cruz, who would have had way, way more Jesus. So, for Trump, it was as sober as it gets and then some. No real antics, no name calling, no more race baiting than any other Republican offers... kind of disappointing, honestly.

i agree overall. when i was able to hold back my vomit and disdain for trump, i had flashes of clarity and felt like it was a reasonable speech. it was still not one i agreed with policy wise, but certainly not one that felt crazy like he normally does.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by return to the red

dear god this is really happening. I look at the Trump-Pence signs and I just can't really believe it still

Just wait until inauguration day.

[GGG]

With Hillary's unlikeabke numbers just not being bat#### crazy might be enough.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Trump's running mate supports free trade (and TPP specifically I believe), as do most Republicans. He won't be renegotiating or cancelling any deals, Congress has to approve that.

In Pence's speech I believe he used the phrase "fair" free trade, he can get right in line with Trump because trade with Mexico is far from fair.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It's a net zero and has been for the last 8 years. Nobody is actually coming to America on the whole.

Net zero with Mexico I believe.

Remember that mass of migration from South America last year?

[Drak]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...=2016-election

[calgarygeologist]

I hate Jeff Lord on CNN so much. I wish they would just can that guy. They should have walked away from him after the fight he had with Van Jones.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That's the weird thing though... You're right; it's a base speech. But just by not being completely window-licking bat crap crazy, it's also a mainstream swing-voter speech. If you've just sort of vaguely been paying attention to the election until now, and heard tell of this absolute nutbar idiot taking over the Republicans, and you tuned into this, you'd be inclined to say "this isn't actually all that bad".

There is no way.....NO WAY...that speech is swinging undecideds his way. If anything, he just scared the bejeezuz out of many who were at least giving him a chance to win them over.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I hate Jeff Lord on CNN so much. I wish they would just can that guy. They should have walked away from him after the fight he had with Van Jones.

the panel is on fire.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GGG

With Hillary's unlikeabke numbers just not being bat#### crazy might be enough.

Trump is even more unlikeable than Clinton. In fact, Gallop ranks Trump as the all-time most unfavourable rated presidential candidate ever since they started tracking that metric.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/193376/tr...e-ratings.aspx

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by New Era

Because its a bull#### issue that no nothing morons think is real. The vast majority of illegals do honest labor and pay into the system without taking benefit from it. But they are a real easy target and suckers buy the #### and bull story.

OK...im dead set against the whole Trump thing but this is patently untrue.

The drain on states with heavy illegals is very much a problem and something even lots of staunch democrats oppose. The problem may be the procedure of doing it legally but that does not condone doing it illegally.

No question the whole "wall" thing is absurd and over the top, but dont kid yourself, there are many many state level problems with illegals using all kinds of social programs.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by transplant99

OK...im dead set against the whole Trump thing but this is patently untrue.

The drain on states with heavy illegals is very much a problem and something even lots of staunch democrats oppose. The problem may be the procedure of doing it legally but that does not condone doing it illegally.

No question the whole "wall" thing is absurd and over the top, but dont kid yourself, there are many many state level problems with illegals using all kinds of social programs.

I don't think you're right here. In fact, the reverse is true I believe. Millions are paid into social programs through payroll taxes that the illegals cannot use.

[troutman]

Trump's speech annotated and fact checked by NPR:

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/21/486883...ntent=20160721

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Haha, Trump thinks that drugs come from Mexico. The only drug that constantly come from Mexico is weed, which is legal in plenty of states now.

All other drugs come through Florida. Trust me I know.

Mexico grows poppys now, they are a major source of black tar heroin