2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1364984191180562432

https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe.../filip-chlapik


23 year old center, hasn't made much impact in the NHL. I suspect someone will pick him up.

Cases like this are why it is very difficult to take QJ production at face value. Doesnt seem to have near the offensive upside that he showed in that league in Junior, and doesn't bring much else to the table.

[Stanley]

I'm tired of hearing about Flames being "almost in" on a deal or "tried very hard" on a trade. Enough already just fking get it done, close the damn deal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I'm tired of hearing about Flames being "almost in" on a deal or "tried very hard" on a trade. Enough already just fking get it done, close the damn deal.

Even if it means clearly losing the deal?

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Even if it means clearly losing the deal?

No, but that's also subjective depending on what return we're talking about. After being so close on Stone, Kadri (not Tre's fault here of course), Hall, Anderson, Dubois...I feel like something could have been done even if it meant Valimaki.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Even if it means clearly losing the deal?

I don't advocate for losing a deal, but I think Warrener raised the point on the morning show last week.

The team needs a culture change pretty desperately because they aren't playing for each other. Even if it means losing a deal, that may be a net benefit to change up the chemistry in the room.

I think the point is to not be paralyzed searching for amazing value. If even in a minor deal, it may be worth changing things up and taking action and losing slightly vs inaction.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Stanley

No, but that's also subjective depending on what return we're talking about. After being so close on Stone, Kadri (not Tre's fault here of course), Hall, Anderson, Dubois...I feel like something could have been done even if it meant Valimaki.

Those deals are all way different. For example, Stone was a rental only in Calgary. Hall was the same unless you gave him a sweet deal as part of the transaction. Anderson was doable and he started off great but has cooled off considerably. Dubois would have cost more than Valimaki. More like Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I don't advocate for losing a deal, but I think Warrener raised the point on the morning show last week.

The team needs a culture change pretty desperately because they aren't playing for each other. Even if it means losing a deal, that may be a net benefit to change up the chemistry in the room.

I think the point is to not be paralyzed searching for amazing value. If even in a minor deal, it may be worth changing things up and taking action and losing slightly vs inaction.

I think this describes what lead to the 48hrs of craziness that resulted in Phaneuf, Sjostrom, Aulie, Prust and Jokinen being moved for Stajan, Hagman, Mayers, White, Higgins and Kotalik

There were rumors of locker room fights and a divided room and those deals did nothing but embarrass the organization and have pretty much all fans lose faith in Darryl.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Those deals are all way different. For example, Stone was a rental only in Calgary. Hall was the same unless you gave him a sweet deal as part of the transaction. Anderson was doable and he started off great but has cooled off considerably. Dubois would have cost more than Valimaki. More like Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

I get that. Doesn't change the fact they were doable and would have changed the core had Tre wanted to badly enough.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I’m still mad they missed out on Trochek. Right hand centre locked in on a great contract, was exactly what we needed, and the return was low.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I get that. Doesn't change that fact they were doable had Tre wanted to badly enough.

So we trade Valimaki for Stone and likely still get spanked by the Avs and then see Stone walk and our prospect pool is even thinner than it already was.

Hall was a bullet dodged. Bennett wouldn’t be a huge loss but Hanifin would have and that deal was made pre-Covid and the Flames rightfully wanted Hall extended before making that deal. That is easily a 8-9M per deal over 7-8 years.

Kadri we know wasn’t doable.

Not sure what offer we could have done to improve over the Laine, Roslivic offer to get Dubois? It was reported Jarmo was pushing for Tkachuk

Anderson said he was going to UFA or signing max term. The Flames would have traded Monahan for him and then had to sign either a one year rental deal or go 7 years with a guy that scored 1 goal last year.

Don’t get me wrong I get it and I agree with what you are saying. It seemed like in 2015-2018 Treliving made a lot of trades. The big ones around Hamilton, the Hamonic deal, various goalie deals but since the failed Zucker trade it sure has felt like all swings have resulted in misses.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m still mad they missed out on Trochek. Right hand centre locked in on a great contract, was exactly what we needed, and the return was low.

I feel like that was the trade Treliving referenced when he said they made some offers for players that were moved that they felt was better than what they were ultimately traded for.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m still mad they missed out on Trochek. Right hand centre locked in on a great contract, was exactly what we needed, and the return was low.

My guess is a lot of GMs feel this way. It was such a bad trade I bet they're wishing they were at least in on a bidding war.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Redrum

My guess is a lot of GMs feel this way. It was such a bad trade I bet they're wishing they were at least in on a bidding war.

His name was out there prior to the deadline. It was known the Panthers were moving him

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So we trade Valimaki for Stone and likely still get spanked by the Avs and then see Stone walk and our prospect pool is even thinner than it already was.

Hall was a bullet dodged. Bennett wouldn’t be a huge loss but Hanifin would have and that deal was made pre-Covid and the Flames rightfully wanted Hall extended before making that deal. That is easily a 8-9M per deal over 7-8 years.

Kadri we know wasn’t doable.

Not sure what offer we could have done to improve over the Laine, Roslivic offer to get Dubois? It was reported Jarmo was pushing for Tkachuk

Anderson said he was going to UFA or signing max term. The Flames would have traded Monahan for him and then had to sign either a one year rental deal or go 7 years with a guy that scored 1 goal last year.

Don’t get me wrong I get it and I agree with what you are saying. It seemed like in 2015-2018 Treliving made a lot of trades. The big ones around Hamilton, the Hamonic deal, various goalie deals but since the failed Zucker trade it sure has felt like all swings have resulted in misses.

Yea I get what you're saying too...I guess I just hope we don't miss out on the window to make that trade and/or signing that could shake up this core before it's too late. FOMO lol

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Dubois would have cost more than Valimaki. More like Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

Correct.

When you consider that the BJ’s got Laine and Roslovic for Dubois, you wonder what the Flames could have beaten that with.

Johnny wouldn’t have been close as I doubt they had any serious interest in a guy who likely would have no interest in staying. Calgary had no one like Roslovic, a local boy who likely will thrive and sign long term in Columbus.

Calgary would have had to do a serious overbid to match the intangibles involved in that trade.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Correct.

When you consider that the BJ’s got Laine and Roslovic for Dubois, you wonder what the Flames could have beaten that with.

Johnny wouldn’t have been close as I doubt they had any serious interest in a guy who likely would have no interest in staying. Calgary had no one like Roslovic, a local boy who likely will thrive and sign long term in Columbus.

Calgary would have had to do a serious overbid to match the intangibles involved in that trade.


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Well Tkachuk and Laine are close based on draft position and success out of the gate. But seeing as how they had to add Roslovic, the Flames would have to go Mangiapane or Dube and they might not even be equivalent value.

It would have been a huge gamble too, since PLD is still so unfinished.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So we trade Valimaki for Stone and likely still get spanked by the Avs and then see Stone walk and our prospect pool is even thinner than it already was.

Hall was a bullet dodged. Bennett wouldn’t be a huge loss but Hanifin would have and that deal was made pre-Covid and the Flames rightfully wanted Hall extended before making that deal. That is easily a 8-9M per deal over 7-8 years.

Kadri we know wasn’t doable.

Wasn't the Stone deal hinged to signing long term in Calgary, I highly doubt Treliving trades Valimaki for a rental.

And wasn't Kadri evoking his NTC more about wanting to stay with the Leafs and not about not wanting to join the Flames?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I'm tired of hearing about Flames being "almost in" on a deal or "tried very hard" on a trade. Enough already just fking get it done, close the damn deal.

Sounds like this is the approach that netted the Flames Travis Hamonic at the cost they paid. I hope Treliving has learned from that one, and it seems he has. One of a GM's worst mistakes is to chase something that isn't there.

I, for one, really hope Treliving stays cool and doesn't lose his marbles like Sutter did when the heat got turned up on him.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Wasn't the Stone deal hinged to signing long term in Calgary, I highly doubt Treliving trades Valimaki for a rental.

And wasn't Kadri evoking his NTC more about wanting to stay with the Leafs and not about not wanting to join the Flames?

Meh,

we have now seen Valimaki in the NHL. I am very comfortable saying that non-trade was a total loss by Tre. Valimaki will never have a measurable impact on an NHL game to the same extent as Mark Stone.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Wasn't the Stone deal hinged to signing long term in Calgary, I highly doubt Treliving trades Valimaki for a rental.

And wasn't Kadri evoking his NTC more about wanting to stay with the Leafs and not about not wanting to join the Flames?

That's what Kadri said when asked about it, but what's he going to say? He hates Calgary and doesn't want to play here?