2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Set unreasonable expectations for management so that when said expectations are not met, you can continue complaining about the direction.

Win win.

Why I said to me.

The right thing to do in a rebuild is to probably not even engage in a real negotiation, you can get an idea of what the number looks like and start shopping him.

If they are just saying no, we want to sign him and won't even look at any deals to see what the market looks like they are doing a big disservice to the team and future.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

You're underselling the market to prove your point. Looking at comparable deals in that range: Esa Lindell, Adam Larsson, Matt Roy (6 years), Matt Dumba (2 years) and Brett Pesce (6 years) all got under $6m last year on shorter deals, which is what you're suggesting is fair.

Brandon Montour got 7 X $7.14m, Brady Skjei got 7 x $7m and Jacob Slavin got 8 X $6.46m.

I'd slot Andersson in or even better than the second group and we've had a year where the cap is going up 5%.

A "fair" deal with the inflation and market outlook for a player of his skillset is likely ~ $7.25m for seven years. He might go below $7m on an 8 year deal or if he really wants to stay in Calgary.

I'd be good with anything around $7m X 8 years for him, as I think he's an important part of the current leadership group and reinforces the work ethic and compete being taught in that locker room -- and a deal like that will still be reasonable for Calgary's prime competition years.

I'd also be fine if they traded him this offseason because he won't resign or if he's looking for a lot more than that. At this point, he's not being traded in season, unless the Flames fall well outside of a playoff spot in the next six weeks.

Adding to this:

More term will bring down Andersson's cap hit. Also, giving the player more control in a NMC or NTC usually reflects a lower than expected cap hit.

Trying to push for a shorter term contract without a NTC or NMC would likely result in $8-9M per year deal.

I would hope that we go for the 8 year deal with a lower cap hit and give him a NMC for 4 years that converts into a limited NTC (similar to Kadri). That way if things are not working out there is an escape hatch for the team but otherwise we are acknowledging that we are signing one of the best RD available in the current 2026 UFA class.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that management should build a long term winner here. I don't think they are showing us right now they know how to do that/ even really want to do that.

I think everything they've shown so far is back to "Make it and anything can happen" strategy. Sure, they left money on the table beginning of the year. But if you believe everything they say, then you should also believe the club is dead broke and struggles to make money (this is why they needed such a big hand out for the arena, right?)
If so, then we can take that at face value, they were just choosing to spend less for profitability sake.

What a ridiculous post

2nd most cap space in the league and 4 firsts in the next 2 drafts

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What a ridiculous post

The old "2nd most cap space in the league and 4 firsts in the next 2 drafts and anything can happen" strategy.

fyp

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that management should build a long term winner here. I don't think they are showing us right now they know how to do that/ even really want to do that.

I think everything they've shown so far is back to "Make it and anything can happen" strategy. Sure, they left money on the table beginning of the year. But if you believe everything they say, then you should also believe the club is dead broke and struggles to make money (this is why they needed such a big hand out for the arena, right?)
If so, then we can take that at face value, they were just choosing to spend less for profitability sake.

Not even end of January and we have a contender for dumbest post of the year. Congratulations.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why I said to me.

The right thing to do in a rebuild is to probably not even engage in a real negotiation, you can get an idea of what the number looks like and start shopping him.

If they are just saying no, we want to sign him and won't even look at any deals to see what the market looks like they are doing a big disservice to the team and future.

Yes, that's why I pointed out that you're basically making unrealistic expectations so that you can retain the right to complain.

You're not open to accepting that you're arguing a relatively unrealistic expectation, so that's why these threads are dominated by you.

Last word is yours. I've plugged the thread up enough.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Adding to this:

More term will bring down Andersson's cap hit. Also, giving the player more control in a NMC or NTC usually reflects a lower than expected cap hit.

Trying to push for a shorter term contract without a NTC or NMC would likely result in $8-9M per year deal.

I would hope that we go for the 8 year deal with a lower cap hit and give him a NMC for 4 years that converts into a limited NTC (similar to Kadri). That way if things are not working out there is an escape hatch for the team but otherwise we are acknowledging that we are signing one of the best RD available in the current 2026 UFA class.

How much is a NTC worth in terms of dollars. I would be open to being an organization that pays $1M more in AAV to escape giving any trade protection. More trades more fun, and easily can dump guys.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why I said to me.

The right thing to do in a rebuild is to probably not even engage in a real negotiation, you can get an idea of what the number looks like and start shopping him.

If they are just saying no, we want to sign him and won't even look at any deals to see what the market looks like they are doing a big disservice to the team and future.

What makes you question they haven’t or aren’t surveying the market? Conroy could very well be saying, ‘our preference is to sign him but we need to be prepared if Andersson starts to inform us he wants to move on. Would you be interested and what are the pieces you would put on the table?’ I suspect these types of conversations happen daily on a wide range of players. Deals can happen fast but they can also happen over the course of months or even longer.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

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I think everything they've shown so far is back to "Make it and anything can happen" strategy. .

What is this list of things they've shown that proves this? What specific actions have they taken that suggests the above is the strategy?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

What makes you question they haven’t or aren’t surveying the market? Conroy could very well be saying, ‘our preference is to sign him but we need to be prepared if Andersson starts to inform us he wants to move on. Would you be interested and what are the pieces you would put on the table?’ I suspect these types of conversations happen daily on a wide range of players. Deals can happen fast but they can also happen over the course of months or even longer.

Someone made the comment last week that Conroy may not even be looking at trading him right now.

GM's talk about laying the groundwork at the deadline sometimes to deals that can happen at the draft. That would be ideal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Toffoli's and Zadorov's asking price was simply not something the Flames wanted to engage in.

They dealt Markstrom because he wanted out and they had a great prospect they wanted to use.

He only wanted out after they started trying to trade him.

As for the first point, if the Flames could sign them cheap, why wouldn't they? That's good asset mgmt

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Someone made the comment last week that Conroy may not even be looking at trading him right now.

GM's talk about laying the groundwork at the deadline sometimes to deals that can happen at the draft. That would be ideal.

Argh.

This is Working with People 101.

If Conroy put the word out there that Rasmus's time with the Flames is coming to an end, that would be a great way of bottoming out his play. When you know you're about to change jobs, your performance at the current job takes a big hit.

So yeah, a responsible GM would not message that he's done with a player unless he has to*. It hits the player's play and it also tips your hand in the market.

See how much fun Vancouver is having?


* And note that the evidence suggests Conroy is aware of this. After Zadorov complained, Conroy acknowledged the situation and promptly took action.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Toffoli didn't even engage in any meaningful conversation with the team. As soon as he found out he wasn't a priority he had some hurt feelings or bitterness and asked for a trade right away.

Kind of played out the same way for Zadorov who was openly lobbying for a large deal, and once he realized it wasn't coming his agent started playing games on Twitter.

The Flames too nice. That needs to change, players don't care when they stick it to us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Argh.

This is Working with People 101.

If Conroy put the word out there that Rasmus's time with the Flames is coming to an end, that would be a great way of bottoming out his play. When you know you're about to change jobs, your performance at the current job takes a big hit.

So yeah, a responsible GM would not message that he's done with a player unless he has to*. It hits the player's play and it also tips your hand in the market.

See how much fun Vancouver is having?


* And note that the evidence suggests Conroy is aware of this. After Zadorov complained, Conroy acknowledged the situation and promptly took action.

I never said announce to the world they are trading him or don't want him whatever.

And as far as saying I am setting expectation so I can complain, I have yet to complain about a single move Conroy has made. His only hiccup was probably bringing Barrie and the trade for that Russian who left.

When people have bashed his return for Hanifin, I defended the deal. With everything that happened and them trying to sign him, that was likely the absolute best return we would expect.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Groot

Not even end of January and we have a contender for dumbest post of the year. Congratulations.

Man you've already got like 10 entries. Basically 1 a day since the turn of the year. I was wondering what your alt account was but I think I know!

Dino is also hard up for some acknowledgement I see, don't forget to include him or he'll pout and cry for the next couple of weeks, McDavid style.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What is this list of things they've shown that proves this? What specific actions have they taken that suggests the above is the strategy?

Well,
- they signed a bunch of garbage beginning of season like Mantha, Bean and Barrie. These guys are all filler and we could have just played rookies.
- They keep saying they want to make hockey trades instead of building for the future.
- They keep saying they want to sign a 28 year old to a long term contract.
- Conroy has openly talked about potentially moving out one of the 1sts in the next few years
- Constant references to the unaccetability of rebuilding (the naughty R word!!)

Those are some of the reasons. Basically, listening to the team talk publicly it sounds like they have no intention of properly building the club and think they can squeek in. The best is that Maloney said this straight up beginning of the year and I got called an idiot for pointing that out and wanting him gone.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What is this list of things they've shown that proves this? What specific actions have they taken that suggests the above is the strategy?

The team outperforming where it should be is his gripe. If the Flames traded every vet they could and were in the same spot somehow he’d still be trotting out the just get in and win. Entering a season with 20 million in capspace is the biggest tell that Conroy wasn’t serious about competing this year, if there is one thing Edwards will do, it is spend to the cap.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The team outperforming where it should be is his gripe. If the Flames traded every vet they could and were in the same spot somehow he’d still be trotting out the just get in and win. Entering a season with 20 million in capspace is the biggest tell that Conroy wasn’t serious about competing this year, if there is one thing Edwards will do, it is spend to the cap.

I ain't your buddy, guy! Don't speak for me. I am happy the team is outperforming, but I think more should have been done to ensure a poor performance.

“Right now, I just look at players to say, ‘OK, who’s underperforming? Who might be available?’” he replied. “One thing that is abundantly clear is just get to the playoffs. You have to get there. You don’t need home ice. Yeah, it helps, but this year, I don’t know how much it makes a difference. So get there, and hopefully you’re ascending to your peak. To hit at the right time, that’s important. But these playoffs, when you see Colorado going down and Boston going down, you’re thinking, ‘Man, just get there and see what happens.’

Quote from Don Maloney this past summer.

The intention was ALWAYS to make the playoffs.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Man you've already got like 10 entries. Basically 1 a day since the turn of the year. I was wondering what your alt account was but I think I know!

Dino is also hard up for some acknowledgement I see, don't forget to include him or he'll pout and cry for the next couple of weeks, McDavid style.



Well,
- they signed a bunch of garbage beginning of season like Mantha, Bean and Barrie. These guys are all filler and we could have just played rookies.
- They keep saying they want to make hockey trades instead of building for the future.
- They keep saying they want to sign a 28 year old to a long term contract.
- Conroy has openly talked about potentially moving out one of the 1sts in the next few years
- Constant references to the unaccetability of rebuilding (the naughty R word!!)

Those are some of the reasons. Basically, listening to the team talk publicly it sounds like they have no intention of properly building the club and think they can squeek in. The best is that Maloney said this straight up beginning of the year and I got called an idiot for pointing that out and wanting him gone.

Are you trading Wolf and buying out Huberdeau and Kadri get to rock bottom of the league?

[dino7c]

Oh no! a hockey team wants to win hockey games!

they haven't done anything to "squeak in" other than having the best ROOKIE goalie in the NHL. Terrible takes are terrible. If they were trying to Squeak in they would be spending cap and trading picks, don't be dumb. A few fringe UFA signings like any team would make. Mantha would have probably fetched a pick if he hadn't been hurt. Barrie is in the pressbox every game...what rookie did we want doing that instead of playing top minutes for the Wranglers.

again, don't be dumb

[Monahammer]

It's weird that all of us said the rookie goalie would have made last season worthwhile, but "Wolf needed to wait and develop" (Dino this is you) and now he's the only reason we're winning games. It's almost as if we should have traded markstrom sooner to allow him to play in the NHL and start making an impact/difference when it mattered a bit more for the franchise.