2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[N-E-B]

I think Bishop ending up in Dallas or St. Louis is more realistic than Calgary. They're need for goaltending is much greater than ours IMO. St. Louis especially since they're in a tighter race than we are. Dallas is out of it but might try grab him and salvage the season.

[Toonage]

Bishop? Alright (career) numbers, playoff experience, size, expiring contract. Probably a late 1st or 2nd round pick.

[Anduril]

Hardest part about adding a younger defenseman to the team for a long term is that we're likely to already have the 3 defenseman (Gio, Brodie, Hamilton) protected. Without starting the debate again about whether Gio should/could be exposed, I doubt that Treliving is ready to add prior to the expansion unless it was a forward.

[Dan403]

The only way a D is added is if its a D that they are willing to lose in the Expansion draft.

[Finger Cookin]

So remember the all-star weekend trade of 1990 that sent Bernie Nicholls to the New York Rangers for Tony Granato and Thomas Sandstrom? Here were the stats for the respective players at the time of the deal:

Nicholls was second on the Kings in scoring, behind only Gretzky

47GP - 27G - 48A - 75P - -9 - 66PIM - 15.7%SP

For the Rangers, here are Granato and Sandstrom's lines (respectively):

37GP - 7G - 18A - 25P - +1 - 77PIM - 8.9%SP (8th leading scorer on the roster)

48GP - 19G - 19A - 38P - -10 - 100PIM - 11.4%SP (2nd leading scorer on the roster)

Nicholls was 28 at the time, while Granato and Sandstrom were both 25. Nicholls was a C while both Rangers played on the wing.

Hard to compare eras and trades pre-cap to now, but I'm wondering about what kind of deal would be similar in today's environment? Matt Duchene is probably the available player closest to being a Nicholls comparison in today's NHL - what kind of return could he fetch that would be similar?

Just idle speculation over all-star weekend.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What's Rutherford's leverage with every team knowing that he has to trade MAF before the expansion draft or lose Murray? I would imagine he's essentially going to wait until the very last minute and take the best offer available but it's not likely going to be anywhere near what he's been asking for or the trade would have been made already.

I could be mistaken but can't they buy him out before the expansion draft ... you know worst case scenario. Could be wrong though.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

After the last interview Treliving gave, I can see him chasing a top 4 defenseman in the offseason to clog the left side and force Gulutzan to play Brodie on the right. It's clear he mentioned Brodie has different looks on the left and that Brodie is capable of playing both sides, even though Gulutzan is playing Brodie on the left to give them depth. That also tells me that Flames defense drops off significantly after the big 3.

I think it's been discussed here before, but I'd like to see the Flames go after Karl Alzner as an off-season UFA. He could play alongside Hamilton, reuniting Brodie and Gio. These pairings could alternate "top-pairing" status on any given night, and really solidify that top four.

Ideally, Gio starts anchoring the second-pairing; going forward, I see his ability to chew-up top minutes diminishing. A guy like Alzner (still under 30) also adds much-needed physicality to the back end.

They could jettison Wideman (finally) and potentially keep Engelland around on a 1-yr just to maintain his team-toughness presence, and his mentorship for young guys slotting into the bottom pairing, a la Kulak.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

I think it's been discussed here before, but I'd like to see the Flames go after Karl Alzner as an off-season UFA. He could play alongside Hamilton, reuniting Brodie and Gio. These pairings could alternate "top-pairing" status on any given night, and really solidify that top four.

Ideally, Gio starts anchoring the second-pairing; going forward, I see his ability to chew-up top minutes diminishing. A guy like Alzner (still under 30) also adds much-needed physicality to the back end.

They could jettison Wideman (finally) and potentially keep Engelland around on a 1-yr just to maintain his team-toughness presence, and his mentorship for young guys slotting into the bottom pairing, a la Kulak.

Yup I think everyone on here would be happy to see Alzner. I don't think Engy is coming back tho, he mite sign on with Las Vegas as a Captain/Assitant. Not to say I wouldn't mind seeing him back as a 6/7 cheap.

[Mr.Coffee]

Engelland and Hamilton have been possibly our best defencemen this season.

Engelland won't be protected but he's exactly the type of player we need more of. Somebody with some push-back and responsible defensively (sorta...). He's a 5-6 guy but he's the only Dman that actually plays the classic defensive style. He just isn't that good of a puck mover but we have 3 of those types of guys that are all supposed to be all-stars, but only 1 is playing like it.

So basically losing Engelland could be super bad news if he isn't replaced by a similar style defenceman. In fact to give the team a touch more balance that's the only reason you may consider moving one of Gio / Brodie, because they're so similar. If you can get an equivalent value defenceman back you may want to consider it to bolster our defence.

[sureLoss]

Adrian Dater @adater
After talking with sources in LA,at bare minimum it'll take young, established D player and 1st round pick to get either Duchene or Landy

[1qqaaz]

That still doesn't seem like much to get a player Duchene, to be honest.

If Mattias Ekholm + 1st round pick can get Duchene, I say Nashville should definitely be in. Even if it's Ellis instead of Ekholm.

[sureLoss]

Craig Custance @CraigCustance
Las Vegas will be able to start making player transactions around March 1, including trades related to expansion draft.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

So remember the all-star weekend trade of 1990 that sent Bernie Nicholls to the New York Rangers for Tony Granato and Thomas Sandstrom? Here were the stats for the respective players at the time of the deal:

Nicholls was second on the Kings in scoring, behind only Gretzky

47GP - 27G - 48A - 75P - -9 - 66PIM - 15.7%SP

For the Rangers, here are Granato and Sandstrom's lines (respectively):

37GP - 7G - 18A - 25P - +1 - 77PIM - 8.9%SP (8th leading scorer on the roster)

48GP - 19G - 19A - 38P - -10 - 100PIM - 11.4%SP (2nd leading scorer on the roster)

Nicholls was 28 at the time, while Granato and Sandstrom were both 25. Nicholls was a C while both Rangers played on the wing.

Hard to compare eras and trades pre-cap to now, but I'm wondering about what kind of deal would be similar in today's environment? Matt Duchene is probably the available player closest to being a Nicholls comparison in today's NHL - what kind of return could he fetch that would be similar?

Just idle speculation over all-star weekend.

Interesting comparison. What's also interesting is Colorado's firepower on paper somewhat mirrors what they had during the early 2000's era, with Drury, Tanguay, Hedjuk, not to mention Sakic and Forsberg. Difference were those guys produced. Having said that, given the situation Colorado's in currently, I think if they deal him they gotta get a) a 1st pairing defenceman AND b) a third line scorer. Something isn't quite right with the team, though on paper they're definitely a championship contender. As skill as Duchane is though, I don't think it's as much a guarantee he'll learn back his scoring touch that we've seen before. There will be a GM who'll overpay because of pressure, but it's not a lock that he'll rediscover his touch again.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

That still doesn't seem like much to get a player Duchene, to be honest.

If Mattias Ekholm + 1st round pick can get Duchene, I say Nashville should definitely be in. Even if it's Ellis instead of Ekholm.

I suppose but you are only getting him for 2 seasons.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I suppose but you are only getting him for 2 seasons.

No reason to think the team that acquires him can't resign him.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

That still doesn't seem like much to get a player Duchene, to be honest.

If Mattias Ekholm + 1st round pick can get Duchene, I say Nashville should definitely be in. Even if it's Ellis instead of Ekholm.

Problem is that Chia set the market for what it costs to acquire a D. Value is reflected in what the market will bear.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Craig Custance @CraigCustance
Las Vegas will be able to start making player transactions around March 1, including trades related to expansion draft.

How does this work? Are they allowed to take on contracts at deadline? If a player is traded to them with 2 months left in season , does he go and hang out in Vegas for rest of season?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

How does this work? Are they allowed to take on contracts at deadline? If a player is traded to them with 2 months left in season , does he go and hang out in Vegas for rest of season?

Well they do have draft picks, including a guaranteed top 6 pick.

I guess the players would just sit on the Vegas roster?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Adrian Dater @adater
After talking with sources in LA,at bare minimum it'll take young, established D player and 1st round pick to get either Duchene or Landy

I will probably get roasted for this, but I would trade Brodie for Landeskog. Not sure I would throw in a high first round pick though.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

How does this work? Are they allowed to take on contracts at deadline? If a player is traded to them with 2 months left in season , does he go and hang out in Vegas for rest of season?

"He will be able to make player-related transactions within some parameters," Deputy Commissioner Daly said. "Obviously he can't acquire players who are still playing the '16-17 season. But he can acquire draft picks, he can acquire unsigned draft choices, there are player assets he can acquire, and he can start making deals related to the expansion draft."