Why is it that of those religious people that quote the bible as their source against gay marriage, are utterly silent when you ask them why they ignore other parts of the bible that say stupid things like if you new wife isnt a virgin she should be put to death, or that eating shellfish is an abomination like homosexuality.
How does a biblical person square these things, when one is utterly ignored, yet a paragraph below one item that they staunchly accept while ignoring the other.
To this day I have not heard one religious person defend this, just deflect and deny.
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Why is it that of those religious people that quote the bible as their source against gay marriage, are utterly silent when you ask them why they ignore other parts of the bible that say stupid things like if you new wife isnt a virgin she should be put to death, or that eating shellfish is an abomination like homosexuality.
How does a biblical person square these things, when one is utterly ignored, yet a paragraph below one item that they staunchly accept while ignoring the other.
To this day I have not heard one religious person defend this, just deflect and deny.
The hypocrisy of organised religion is quite sad. You can't stand on your soap box and preach one thing and ignore another.
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Hellfire and damnation is what the pentecostals preach. They stand on their pulpet and shout at the multitudes things like "if you dont repent, you'll go to hell", "if you dont accept the lord into your heart your sins will never be forgiven or you wont go to heaven". meanwhile the bible states: Matthew 7:1-2 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (ref)
As with most religions of the world, christians believe that their religion is the only correct one, likewise their God is the only correct one. This closed mindedness breeds bitterness and contempt, driving the wheels of discrimination and antisocial thought. christians believe that anyone who is not part of their faith will be condemned and also that they are a threat to our societies moral fiber so much so that they believe it is acceptable to censor anyone who opposes the views of christianity (ref)
"If heaven's for clean people, its vacant" - Matthew Good
What I really don't understand is that to be a Christian is to be a "Christ follower" but Jesus Christ never said one thing about homosexuality in the entire New Testament. For so many evangelicals, the issue of gay rights is something that they seem far more passionate about than anything that Jesus actually spoke about (ie helping the poor, loving your neighbours, rejecting hypocrisy and moralistic tendencies).
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So what should a non Christian marriage be called? Two Muslim people can only have a civil union? Sorry, but marriage exists outside Christianity for everyone. Perhaps instead of everyone else changing their name for there committed relationships, Christians should have Christian unions? That would make everyone happy, no?
don't go down that road........I have always wondered why the "church" needs to display it's wealth.....I thought the point was to "give it away".
You can't simply claim that "the church" is a monolithic entity with this statement. My own particular church consists of over 1200 people. We meet in a High School gymnasium in large part for the purpose of minimizing operating costs. Our full time staff are paid very modestly for the work they do, especially considering the number of hours they clock in a week. Virtually all other money collected that does not factor into salaries and operations is given away both in our local community, and through charitable, non-proselytizing projects in Haiti, Guatemala, Indonesia, and other such places where humanitarian need is great.
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"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
You can't simply claim that "the church" is a monolithic entity with this statement. My own particular church consists of over 1200 people. We meet in a High School gymnasium in large part for the purpose of minimizing operating costs. Our full time staff are paid very modestly for the work they do, especially considering the number of hours they clock in a week. Virtually all other money collected that does not factor into salaries and operations is given away both in our local community, and through charitable, non-proselytizing projects in Haiti, Guatemala, Indonesia, and other such places where humanitarian need is great.
Correct it appears I can't include you church in that statement, but I would suggest that more often than not, "the church" builds structures they do not need. I am happy to hear about your church's approach, but I think if you honestly reflect on my statement you will agree that it is often the case that "the church" and their various branches often build extravagent facilities. Take at look at this school:
Correct it appears I can't include you church in that statement, but I would suggest that more often than not, "the church" builds structures they do not need. I am happy to hear about your church's approach, but I think if you honestly reflect on my statement you will agree that it is often the case that "the church" and their various branches often build extravagent facilities. Take at look at this school:
Were this a non-confessional private school, would you feel the same way? I guess your complaint raises into question precisely what is "needed" in any venue. The link you provided is for a Christian High School, and while it is a very impressive looking facility, to me, it looks like any number of high schools in and throughout the Lower Mainland where I live. Is the new, publicly funded and equally impressive looking Yarrow Elementary School also guilty of the same extravagance?
Most churches that have the funds to build large buildings tend to do so in part as a matter of public trust. Large church buildings very frequently serve as meeting places and venues for a variety of non-religious community activities, in the same manner that schools and community centres do, despite the fact that they are always privately funded. Do churches bear some added responsibility in their construction projects to minimize their "display of wealth"? Even for those structures that help to facilitate the community on a large scale?
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"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
Correct it appears I can't include you church in that statement, but I would suggest that more often than not, "the church" builds structures they do not need. I am happy to hear about your church's approach, but I think if you honestly reflect on my statement you will agree that it is often the case that "the church" and their various branches often build extravagent facilities. Take at look at this school:
Please understand that my post was not an attack against you our your church.
From their website
Nondiscrimination Policy
Valor Christian High School admits students of any gender, race, color, and national or ethnic origin to all the rights, privileges, programs and activities generally accorded or made available to students. Valor does not discriminate on the basis of gender, race, color, national or ethnic origin in the administration of its educational policies, admissions policies, tuition assistance, athletic, arts or other school administrated programs
Valor Christian High School admits students of any gender, race, color, and national or ethnic origin to all the rights, privileges, programs and activities generally accorded or made available to students. Valor does not discriminate on the basis of gender, race, color, national or ethnic origin in the administration of its educational policies, admissions policies, tuition assistance, athletic, arts or other school administrated programs
Were this a non-confessional private school, would you feel the same way? I guess your complaint raises into question precisely what is "needed" in any venue. The link you provided is for a Christian High School, and while it is a very impressive looking facility, to me, it looks like any number of high schools in and throughout the Lower Mainland where I live. Is the new, publicly funded and equally impressive looking Yarrow Elementary School also guilty of the same extravagance?
Most churches that have the funds to build large buildings tend to do so in part as a matter of public trust. Large church buildings very frequently serve as meeting places and venues for a variety of non-religious community activities, in the same manner that schools and community centres do, despite the fact that they are always privately funded. Do churches bear some added responsibility in their construction projects to minimize their "display of wealth"? Even for those structures that help to facilitate the community on a large scale?
I have never walked the campus of Yarrow, but I have walked Valour.
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This photo hardly does justice to the opulance of the school.
Would I care is if was a private school. No.
Should "the church" be using secular benchmarks to grade/measure itself....No. Someone once said "be in the world but not of the world".
This high school is a perfect example of segment of "the church" that appears intent on showing off its wealth.
I agree that "the church" and their buildings provide a meeting place for secular organizations. I often wonder if those buildings could just as easily been built do less money and the savings passed those that might need it. The First Alliance in Calgary is an example:
Look don't get me wrong, I know the church does a lot of good work in society. I was raised in a very religous family. My grandparents were ministers, my grandma actively ministered till she was dead @ 97.
I me it appears that segmants (that make it more palatable) of "the church" are focused on image and displays of wealth.
I know you will disagree with me, and that's fine. The beauty of opinions is everyone has them.
So a gunman attempts to go on a shooting spree at the Christian Research council with 15 Chic-Fil-A sandwiches and extra ammunition in his back pack and everyone around here is silent. Yet Tim Thomas expesses his support for free speech and there is 39 pages of self righteous venom!
So a gunman attempts to go on a shooting spree at the Christian Research council with 15 Chic-Fil-A sandwiches and extra ammunition in his back pack and everyone around here is silent. Yet Tim Thomas expesses his support for free speech and there is 39 pages of self righteous venom!
Did you even read your first article before shooting your mouth off? Barely any news outlets actually covered it, did you stop to think that perhaps no one had heard about it yet?
The fact that no one here posted about it is not us condoning the event, and alluding to that conclusion makes you look incredibly silly.
Nevermind that you again miss the difference between "restricting free speech" and people exercising free speech to criticize bigotry. Until you learn that difference, there is no point engaging you in any sort of meaningful discussion on the matter.
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Typical dumb take.
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