2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Domi has a 52 point season under his belt.

Plus, he one punched Kessler.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TOfan

What would you think fans in Arizona would have to say about Bennett?

Domi has a 52 point season under his belt.

3 years ago. Steady decline since. I would rather hold on and see if he can work his game out.

[killer_carlson]

I have no interest in trading Sam Bennett for Max Domi. Zero

[IgiTang]

Matt Domi worth more than Bennett?

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sam Bennett, and maybe more.

Originally Posted by Yoho

Not maybe.

Originally Posted by TOfan

Agreed. It would take more.

If you use the same rubric for both players but fine the mean between their icetime which (visually calculated) approximately 3.30+ toi/ for Domi over Bennett but.. Bennet has 4 more goals on the season than Domi and is playing around 25% over 55+ games. Bennett 18 pts and Domi 29 pts with a much worse plus minus I believe..

And Bennett is one year younger, went higher in the draft, plays Center and Wing, plays physical and could become offensively dominant, desire to be “the guy” a bit.

Add these intangibles in and I think Bennett actuallly becomes fair value for Domi if not slight over pay.


Wouldn’t mind grabbing Dvorak From AZ to see if he can reignite some magic with tkachuk. What’s his value these days?

[1qqaaz]

Domi has steadily declined from 52 points, Bennett has steadily declined from 36 points.
Domi definitely has more value, and I think both players could benefit from a change.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Matt Domi worth more than Bennett?







If you use the same rubric for both players but fine the mean between their icetime which (visually calculated) approximately 3.30+ toi/ for Domi over Bennett but.. Bennet has 4 more goals on the season than Domi and is playing around 25% over 55+ games. Bennett 18 pts and Domi 29 pts with a much worse plus minus I believe..

And Bennett is one year younger, went higher in the draft, plays Center and Wing, plays physical and could become offensively dominant, desire to be “the guy” a bit.

Add these intangibles in and I think Bennett actuallly becomes fair value for Domi if not slight over pay.


Wouldn’t mind grabbing Dvorak From AZ to see if he can reignite some magic with tkachuk. What’s his value these days?

Plus minus is a garbage stat and should hold very little weight.

Domi doesn't play a physical game? Domi doesn't have a desire to be 'the guy'? If Sam wants to be the guy, he sure has a funny way of showing it. Taking a holding penalty 200ft from your own net with 8 mins left in a tie game on the road while your team is in a dead heat to make the playoffs doesn't really scream 'I'm the guy'. How are you measuring these intangibles, or are you just dreaming?

Again, Domi's 52 point rookie season is head and shoulders over anything Sam Bennett has accomplished. At least we know he can do it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I have no interest in trading Sam Bennett for Max Domi. Zero

Good stuff. Thanks.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Watching that 1st period closely, I’m not sure I’d want any Senator. Hoffman was invisible out there and he might be more expensive then Hamonic to acquire. Zack Smith looked very average out there and I’m not sure he’d help the Benentt - Jankowski line. His contract would be a long one to endure as well.

A players value is determined by more than a few shifts, especially when he had many years of productive play.

Of course, if you watched it closely, that’s another matter all together..


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[TheScorpion]

If you can trade Sam Bennett for Max Domi, you make that trade a million times. Domi is SO much better than Bennett, Arizona would be kidding themselves to make that trade.

[blender]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Plus minus is a garbage stat and should hold very little weight.

Domi doesn't play a physical game? Domi doesn't have a desire to be 'the guy'? If Sam wants to be the guy, he sure has a funny way of showing it. Taking a holding penalty 200ft from your own net with 8 mins left in a tie game on the road while your team is in a dead heat to make the playoffs doesn't really scream 'I'm the guy'. How are you measuring these intangibles, or are you just dreaming?

Again, Domi's 52 point rookie season is head and shoulders over anything Sam Bennett has accomplished. At least we know he can do it.

Just cause Domi did it doesn't mean Bennett won't.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by blender

Just cause Domi did it doesn't mean Bennett won't.

Or Yakapov.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Or Yakapov.

True.
Nevertheless, Bennett has so little value at this point and is so young that you might as well continue to develop him.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Good stuff. Thanks.

Well you're welcome.

Come by anytime.

[dammage79]

In sickness and in health, the flames are married to Bennett for at least this season and next. Never thought I'd see a lynch mob for a 21 year old player. This is insane. Brouwer starts playing better of late so gotta go kick the next dog that's down. Bennetts cap hit is low enough to allow him to struggle for the duration. suck it up kids, we're gonna be seeing Benny around for a while.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

A players value is determined by more than a few shifts, especially when he had many years of productive play.

Of course, if you watched it closely, that’s another matter all together..


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You’re right, maybe it was an off game or what have you. But from what I saw, I definitely didn’t like the subtles to Zack Smith’s game. I can see why he’s struggled mightily to score this season based on years past. Hoffman can still be a big time game breaker, but I liked everything about Dzingel’s game.

Maybe I’ll get ripped for this, but sometimes I think all you need is one game to see what the type of ability a player possesses. Things like their skating stride, agility, the way they protect the puck, the way they turn and pivot, hockey sense, vision. There’s a lot of things you can see in one game. I remember watching guys like Gio, or Johnny, or Subban, or Nylander, Ehlers, Boeser and etc. You watch them once and you know they have IT.

[GoJetsGo]

The notion a casual fan can watch one game and have a good read on a player is asinine.

Think of the Flames for example. We know even Johnny has games where he looks off a step etc.

Someone on a Dallas message board could have watched him have a rough period make a few give-aways and come away with comments like those.

Players have bad stretches never-mind bad games. They could be banged up, sick, whatever. Terrible sample-size.

It's just not a good take.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If you can trade Sam Bennett for Max Domi, you make that trade a million times. Domi is SO much better than Bennett, Arizona would be kidding themselves to make that trade.

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone sometimes when I enter this thread.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by blender

Not saying I know what Rick Nash is thinking, but if anyone doesn't believe that the Jets are the best Canadian team they haven't been paying attention.

I more meant teams he’d include in the list. Winnipeg has the best chance of the Canadian teams right now at the cup I’d say but not sure Nash would go there.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

You’re right, maybe it was an off game or what have you. But from what I saw, I definitely didn’t like the subtles to Zack Smith’s game. I can see why he’s struggled mightily to score this season based on years past. Hoffman can still be a big time game breaker, but I liked everything about Dzingel’s game.



Maybe I’ll get ripped for this, but sometimes I think all you need is one game to see what the type of ability a player possesses. Things like their skating stride, agility, the way they protect the puck, the way they turn and pivot, hockey sense, vision. There’s a lot of things you can see in one game. I remember watching guys like Gio, or Johnny, or Subban, or Nylander, Ehlers, Boeser and etc. You watch them once and you know they have IT.

Just to be clear, you made the comment that Hoffman was a poor target based on watching him for one period. You likely could not have been more wrong, no matter how closely you watched that period.


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[Monahammer]

Bennett has been mostly a failure. I have to agree with everyone that he has almost 0 value. Yakupov was drafted higher, scored more, and played for an objectively far worse team and he was worth almost nothing. Sam also takes stupid penalties nore ofteb than any other player ive seen. Backlund may have more minutes than him but at least his are usually in yhe dzone. Sam has an inate ability to take penalties wgile our team has the puck, 100 feet from our net. Forget about sammys draft rank- he's not worth much at all.