Brad Treliving needs to go

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Sutter and Murray played and captained with the Blackhawks...

Sutter becomes coach of Flames in Winter of 2021. Murray joins Flames as scout in February 2022.

Hmm.....

Sutter was an advisor/scout/whatever for the Ducks before joining the Flames and it was Murray who brought him in.

Personally I would hate for Sutter to win the power struggle but I do think if he does we see a GM like this come in vs Treliving staying or Conroy/Pascal getting promoted. Like I mentioned I think Maloney is tied to Treliving and both will be gone at the same time

[Toonage]

I believe Steinberg or Seravalli (forget which during their time on air) mentioned yesterday on the Fan that no one in management has a contract past this season. Same for training staff. Can someone confirm thats the case or did I hear it wrong?

Sutter would be the only guy with a contract for next season in coaching/management/staff.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I think Treliving is going to be a hard sell to teams. His success in Calgary has been minimal and he's left a smoldering mess behind him this year. This team is not setup well for the future which is how other teams are going to judge him. Lack of success and leaving his current club without a path to success does not a glowing resume make. He may find a job, but he's not going to be in high demand. Just doesn't have a history of success to be in such demand.

[Vinny01]

It is hard to not put the majority of the blame here at the feet of Treliving. He had a plan to build a team around a pair of elite wingers and when both decided to leave his plan was blown up. He made reactionary moves that got the team a premium return when it is all said and done for Tkachuk and he countered losing the top free agent on the market by signing the number 2 free agent. He further cemented this new reactionary plan by ensuring the 2 key pieces of the trade would not hit free agency the following year. In order to sign the second best free agent and his 2 new players he had to extend maximum term deals. Kadri turned 32 at the start of the year, Huberdeau turns 30 before the draft and Weegar will turn 30 next season.

These reactionary moves became the plan and it is not looking like a great one in hindsight. A future 1st was needed in a trade to make it all work which is not ideal especially since the conditions are far from cut and dry.

I really like Treliving. I think he is smart, works hard, can be bold, and is very well respected lesgue wide. I do feel though since his plan failed and his pivot hasn’t worked out and leaves the organization stuck with some massive and questionable contracts he may have hit his expiration date. I would choose Brad over Darryl if I had the choice but I don’t think ownership does. In many ways a cleaning of house could make the most sense and bring in a new regime. If Edwards wants to win he won’t cheap out either.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I think Treliving is going to be a hard sell to teams. His success in Calgary has been minimal and he's left a smoldering mess behind him this year. This team is not setup well for the future which is how other teams are going to judge him. Lack of success and leaving his current club without a path to success does not a glowing resume make. He may find a job, but he's not going to be in high demand. Just doesn't have a history of success to be in such demand.

I'll do a friendly bet of $20 donation with you to CP. I bet if he does not come back to the Flames, he'll find a new role in the NHL before July 1, 2024.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I believe Steinberg or Seravalli (forget which during their time on air) mentioned yesterday on the Fan that no one in management has a contract past this season. Same for training staff. Can someone confirm thats the case or did I hear it wrong?

Sutter would be the only guy with a contract for next season in coaching/management/staff.

If true that is freighting if they give him the power that some think they will we are in big trouble.

[Stuntman Mike]

I like Brad and think he's done a really good job.

I don't see how a new, and very likely less experienced GM will produce a better result if the ownership mandate of making the playoffs at all costs remains the same.

If the new GM is Sutter or a buddy of Sutter's - I'm out as a Flames fan. I've lived through it once, not doing it again.

[Sylvanfan]

If the Flames are going to change they better get on it. I wonder if they don't clean house and bring in an entire new front office. I think Treliving did a decent job. But maybe it is time for a significant shakeup throughout the front office.

[GioforPM]

There's zero chance they fires Sutter with $8M owing to him. They've boxed themselves a bit with Treliving's contract expiring and Sutter's just kicking in.

If they went with Sutter as GM, his hands are tied a fair bit. He has little cap room to sign people, and I doubt ownership would go for buyouts or retained salary very much.

[Burn13]

After Nick Ritchie SO decision we now know the problem.

[CroFlames]

It's actually embarrassing that something hasn't been announced.

A GM who's contract is expiring, and is likely not signing again (or is he?) and the draft is upcoming, and free agency etc. What direction is the team going? Who is compiling the draft list and target UFAs etc?

Is he a lame duck? Who is in ####ing charge of this organization? Who is even conducting an interview for the new GM?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I think Treliving is going to be a hard sell to teams. His success in Calgary has been minimal and he's left a smoldering mess behind him this year. This team is not setup well for the future which is how other teams are going to judge him. Lack of success and leaving his current club without a path to success does not a glowing resume make. He may find a job, but he's not going to be in high demand. Just doesn't have a history of success to be in such demand.

Except all the intel from around the NHL is the opposite.

People around the league tend to really like him and think he's done a good job with the hand he's been dealt.

There are only 32 jobs - so it's never easy to find a GM job, but all the noise has been that he won't have an issue finding another job if he leaves.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Except all the intel from around the NHL is the opposite.

People around the league tend to really like him and think he's done a good job with the hand he's been dealt.

There are only 32 jobs - so it's never easy to find a GM job, but all the noise has been that he won't have an issue finding another job if he leaves.

He was applauded for the Tkachuk trade, the Hamilton trade, he managed to get rid of Neal and he's seen as a good contract negotiator. He does plenty of deals so other GMs do business with him.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

It's actually embarrassing that something hasn't been announced.

A GM who's contract is expiring, and is likely not signing again (or is he?) and the draft is upcoming, and free agency etc. What direction is the team going? Who is compiling the draft list and target UFAs etc?

Is he a lame duck? Who is in ####ing charge of this organization? Who is even conducting an interview for the new GM?

The GM still has duties past game 82 including meeting with every player, coaches, etc before he meets with Edwards.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Except all the intel from around the NHL is the opposite.

People around the league tend to really like him and think he's done a good job with the hand he's been dealt.

There are only 32 jobs - so it's never easy to find a GM job, but all the noise has been that he won't have an issue finding another job if he leaves.

If for whatever reason he's no longer the Flames GM next month I would expect that he will have a job as GM or AGM next season if he wants it. Likely landing spots as GM would be in Toronto, Ottawa, or Pittsburgh.

[Ashasx]

If Treliving is gone truly the next best scenario is Dubas but I feel like he along with many others will want nothing to do with managing this organization and the restrictions placed upon them by ownership.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I'll do a friendly bet of $20 donation with you to CP. I bet if he does not come back to the Flames, he'll find a new role in the NHL before July 1, 2024.

Thing is - he may get offers but decide that better ones will come in due course. He's not poor and doesn't need to work.

He will get a quick offer if somone wants him in for draft day with time to prepare. For the same reason, I bet the Flames know right now what he's going to do.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Except all the intel from around the NHL is the opposite.

People around the league tend to really like him and think he's done a good job with the hand he's been dealt.

There are only 32 jobs - so it's never easy to find a GM job, but all the noise has been that he won't have an issue finding another job if he leaves.

Agreed if Treliving did not think or know he has other options that might be more attractive he would likely already be extended (considering Francis confirmed he turned down an offer earlier this year).

TSN/SN was gushing over the summer of Brad and he was called an elite GM by the Eastern Canadian media. I think most of the negative narratives around the Flames this year has been Sutter related and Treliving has received a pass so far. Most even think Sutter is where he is because of the owner not Treliving.

I think Pittsburgh, Toronto and other markets will look at him when things go wrong. Burke hired Treliving before so I look at that situation with Hextall likely getting fired this offseason.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Agreed if Treliving did not think or know he has other options that might be more attractive he would likely already be extended (considering Francis confirmed he turned down an offer earlier this year).

TSN/SN was gushing over the summer of Brad and he was called an elite GM by the Eastern Canadian media. I think most of the negative narratives around the Flames this year has been Sutter related and Treliving has received a pass so far. Most even think Sutter is where he is because of the owner not Treliving.

I think Pittsburgh, Toronto and other markets will look at him when things go wrong. Burke hired Treliving before so I look at that situation with Hextall likely getting fired this offseason.

Briere is only interim GM in Philly. I could also see him go in some role to Nashville, given Poile is retiring and (assuming the rumours are true) the incoming guy has no GM experience. And NYI has to be thinking about Lou as well. Dude is 80.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There's zero chance they fires Sutter with $8M owing to him.

they can make him Special Assistant to the Owner (with no real responsibilities) to save face and bring in Love from the Wranglers to save a few bucks.