2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Toonage]

If the day comes that Andersson or Kadri are traded I hope people recall the over valuing last year and what were ultimately underwhelming returns and don’t get too excited. I mean by the time Markstrom was moved you’d think people would have figured out we weren’t getting a teams top prospect and yet..

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Mercer and the 10th! lol
1st+ for Zadorov as well

Yeah, "Well I mean if we want their 10th OA AND Mercer I think we may have to add our late first or Pospisal to get it done" "WHHHAATTT you DO NOT move Pospisal off this team, he's untouchable with what he brings to the Flames!".

[jayswin]

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...3&postcount=12

You can start reading right here for a fun trip down memory lane. Boy was that some high hopes!

Based on the article Fitz seems to think 10 OA is worth a haul alone. As in.. markstrom is probably a throw-in rather than a centerpiece in a deal for it.

Personally, I think 28 + markstrom and a minor add is about bang on to move up to 10, and they would probably unload a contract in that transaction too

It’s definitely not going to be Mercer and #10.

I think it’s more likely 10 and Holtz for Markstrom and #28 as NJD seem to still want a pick in the 1st.

Markstrom and 28 for Holtz and 10 is AOK by me

Really based on pick values both Markstrom (50%) for 10 or Markstrom (50%) + 41 for 10 should be close to enough value.

It shouldn't take Markstrom + 28 to get 10

Hopefully they retain to maximize value.

If they can get 10 OA without giving up 28 OA that's even better.

We shouldn’t be adding a thing if we retain 50%.

They can't have Pospisil...they can have Walker Duehr

Markstrom
Duehr
41

For

10 OV

They can find physicality elsewhere. I really don’t want to move Pospisil.

Say no to trading Pospisil.

Really surprised some are even considering it

Relatively controlled young asset showing promise and we want to throw him in for the 10th overall that may or may not pan out.

In the stock market, you let your runners run. Pospisil is just starting to run

If it’s Markstrom plus an asset for the 10th overall, then I wouldn’t add Pospisil but would add the 28th.

[CliffFletcher]

JT Miller being connected to the Devils. No details, but a package around Mercer and Nemec makes sense for both teams.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Royle9 and dissentowner say teams have kicked tires on Kadri.

Middlestadt and Ritchie is a full blown offer. So I doubt that it exists anywhere other than the minds of certain fans.

This is confusing.

Are you saying this is an offer? If it is a legitimate offer, how do we know?

(honest question, not sure if this is being reported or if it’s fan speculation).

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

JT Miller being connected to the Devils. No details, but a package around Mercer and Nemec makes sense for both teams.

That trade makes sense. But I hate it as a Flames fan because it makes the Canucks better. I’ve been enjoying this drama.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This is confusing.

Are you saying this is an offer? If it is a legitimate offer, how do we know?

(honest question, not sure if this is being reported or if it’s fan speculation).

Sorry, I’m saying that that proposal if it really exists is a red blooded full-bodied offer. It’s a heck of an opening salvo in trade negotiations. That’s partly why I don’t believe it exists.

The other reason that I don’t believe it exists is that our insiders haven’t mentioned any frantic meetings happening with Flames scouts to discuss such an offer. I’m pretty sure that if that offer came in, it would be a start the car moment. Everyone in the front office would know that something was going on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

From New Jersey side that is an awful trade. You get older and a player who is a problem in the room. Your team is rolling so the right thing to do is go out and trade 2 young players for JT Miller.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The other reason, I don’t believe it is that our insiders haven’t mentioned any frantic meetings happening with flam Scouts to discuss such an offer. I’m pretty sure that if that offer came in, it would be a start the Carr moment. Everyone in the front office would know that something was going on.

It is at least possible (not likely, I admit) that a substantial offer actually came in, but Kadri told the team he's not waiving his NMC and there was no point in discussing it further.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Trading Kadri makes sense if the offer is really and good and he is willing to waive. Holding onto him is fine, but if you get an offer and refuse to even consider what are we even doing here? This team isn’t competing for anything in the next 3-5 years we need to get as many picks and prospects into the system as soon as possible. If that makes the team worse today so be it. Focus should be on the long term.

[Badgers Nose]

GMCC considers everything. He just doesn't make every trade. Come on now, do you really think he is a closed minded dolt?

Nothing I’ve ever seen from him gives me that impression.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

GMCC considers everything. He just doesn't make every trade. Come on now, do you really think he is a closed minded dolt?

Nothing I’ve ever seen from him gives me that impression.

Who?!

edit: Ah sorry, I see you were doing that mid 2000's lingo thing where people would post GM and then the GM's initials as an acronym in place of using the GM's name.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

JT Miller being connected to the Devils. No details, but a package around Mercer and Nemec makes sense for both teams.

Gross, I think this makes the Canucks better and keeps their window open longer. Was really hoping they'd offload EP and implode further.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by jayswin

who?!

Edit: Ah sorry, i see you were doing that mid 2000's lingo thing where people would post gm and then the gm's initials as an acronym in place of using the gm's name.

gmcc

Im on my phone

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

JT Miller being connected to the Devils. No details, but a package around Mercer and Nemec makes sense for both teams.

If NJ wouldn't pay Mercer for a position they actually need, why would they trade him for a position that's only "nice to have".

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Listened to the 32 thoughts podcast.

Flames won’t trade Andersson this season they will make him an offer in the summer and see where that goes. Andersson is open to that.

Also for those who want to get worked up. Friedman said if they are in the mix they might look at the rental market for a center if they are unable to find a long term fit in season

Anyone ever watch one of those videos where a firefighter or other good samaritan has to rescue a sheep from a ditch and the moment they get free they jump right back in

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by jayswin

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...3&postcount=12

You can start reading right here for a fun trip down memory lane. Boy was that some high hopes!

So basically if I am reading that nobody thought it would be 10 and Mercer.

Conroy currently has Bahl and the 23rd overall pick for Markstrom if the draft reflected the standings as of today. On the list of deals that you quoted to my eye that would be more than

10 + holtz for Markstrom and 28

10 for Markstrom and 28.

Are there any trades you listed where the Flames get way more in value than what they currently have?

If they made the version of the trade that included Holtz and they picked the same player the Devils did at 10 they would have

Holtz, Silayev

Instead they have

Bahl, Gridin, whoever they pick with the Devils 2024 pick.

Not really sure this vaunted 10th overall pick was some sort of crazy over the moon expectation for what Markstrom ended up being worth. Personally I would probably take what they have with the actual trade that was made over what they would have had if they had to throw in 28 to get 10.

Holtz,

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Mercer and the 10th! lol

If the deal came together at the trade deadline last year then I expect Mercer would have been fair value and I doubt the Devils would be upset at the outcome. Also, there is no way the pick would have been that high.

With Markstrom's record of 21-8-5 on the Devils, I think it is fair to say that he could have saved the Devils season last year, gotten them into the playoffs and given them a chance keeping the season going long enough for Hamilton to return from his injury.

As people keep pointing out with the "Trade Andersson" arguments, trading a player for more playoff runs has more value. Instead, the Devils blew up their season. They sure showed us!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If NJ wouldn't pay Mercer for a position they actually need, why would they trade him for a position that's only "nice to have".

Because of any number of fluid factors over time? New Jersey was worried about what they were last season and off season, finishing 10th last when they were supposed to start contending.

Now they are contending, so maybe more willing to push out a future guy like Mercer to bring in a sure fire veteran that they believe could push them over the edge the next couple years.

They (and the league) likely value Miller higher than Markstrom, even though goaltending was a bigger need. So you can't just say "they weren't willing to trade him for their biggest need, so why would they trade him for anything else". The player value matters.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If NJ wouldn't pay Mercer for a position they actually need, why would they trade him for a position that's only "nice to have".

In fairness, Miller is pretty versatile. We can play the wing, either side, and I’d say he’s a pretty substantial upgrade on Mercer, today.