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PIMking · 10-11-2010, 01:25 PM

Julio Jones broke his hand and had surgery today. No timetable for a return.

Montana Moe · 10-11-2010, 02:12 PM

Alabama doesn't need Jones to beat the patsies on that cupcake schedule they have remaining...

JayP · 10-11-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

I don't know, if playing another game means one of their top 8 ranked teams gets bumped out of the playoffs they'd probably rather skip the conference title game. It would vary from year to year, but I can see reasons to not hold those games.

I've said this every single time this topic comes up, I'm all for a playoff, but I'm not for sacrificing what makes college football so exciting from week to week in order to get it. I've laid the challenge out there in every one of these discussions to show me a system that would work and I've never seen an answer that does anything more than shift problems to different places. That's not a solution, it's just different complaints.

Perfect post.

I always find it hilarious that anyone who defends the current system at all is a "traditionalist" and that all playoff systems are perfect harmony. Why would college football want to be anything like college basketball where they're now having a 96 team tournament instead of 64? And they say the BCS is all about money...

JayP · 10-11-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

#2 ranked schedule based on the overranking of teams like Florida and LSU from last season.

I'm as big a "the SEC is over-rated" guy as there is, but this is just plain wrong.

Even if LSU and Florida were over-rated (which is a debate for another day), dropping them 5 spots in the polls isn't going to drastically alter Alabama'a SOS. Instead of #2 it's #5-7. Big whoop.

JayP · 10-11-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

There's the reason why you want a playoff system. For casual fans with no real allegiances the whole college football ranking system doesn't really make a ton of sense. People who are huge fans of one team typically want the system to stay in place (as do the players) as they realize that you don't have win the whole thing to have a successful season.

Well worded.

The thing is that the players, coaches, ADs, presidents, the conferences, the NCAA, etc., etc. all don't want a big playoff. This really is only an issue because the media makes it out to be one to stir the pot. And of course when the media stirs it up there's always going to be fans on each side. They make it seem like there's no grey area, but to the intelligent fan that's all there is. A 16-team playoff and a plus one are completely different shades of grey.

GirlySports · 10-11-2010, 02:59 PM

No one wants a playoff because playoff losses (and even successes) cost coaches job!

PIMking · 10-11-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Alabama doesn't need Jones to beat the patsies on that cupcake schedule they have remaining...

Jones I don't think has lived up to his freshman season.

He reminds me of Randy Moss, All the talent and tools but just seems lazy to me.

But you still have to respect him and cover him with help on top. That is what made Hanks and Maze tick but now that he is gone what will happen?

Look to see more dump passes to Trent and Mark.

FlamingLonghorn · 10-12-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JayP

Perfect post.

I always find it hilarious that anyone who defends the current system at all is a "traditionalist" and that all playoff systems are perfect harmony. Why would college football want to be anything like college basketball where they're now having a 96 team tournament instead of 64? And they say the BCS is all about money...

The Tourney only expanded by 4 teams. It is now 68. They realized 96 would be a terriible move and just tweaked the system a little.

valo403 · 10-12-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sowa

The Tourney only expanded by 4 teams. It is now 68. They realized 96 would be a terriible move and just tweaked the system a little.

They left the door wide open for further expansion. If they can get a network to pay for it, which would mean there are indications people would watch, I'd expect continued expansion down the line.

Montana Moe · 10-13-2010, 12:52 AM

This could be interesting...

Death to the BCS

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Like most college football fans, we tired of the ridiculous excuses about why we don’t have a playoff. So we dug through thousands of pages of bowl game tax returns and university documents, filed hundreds of Freedom of Information Act requests and interviewed people throughout college and professional sports. We even hired accountants to help follow the money trails.
What we found was infuriating. The factual information and hard data dispute every talking point of BCS defenders and show naked political plays, scams and a system that wastes hundreds of millions of dollars that should be in the coffers of universities.

As a fan of an SEC team, you can imagine I'm not much into book learnin', but I may have to pick this one up.

GirlySports · 10-13-2010, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Montana Moe

This could be interesting...

Death to the BCS

As a fan of an SEC team, you can imagine I'm not much into book learnin', but I may have to pick this one up.

I laugh at the excerpt.

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Paterno is too old to care about perceived power. He wants what’s fair, and that is a playoff. Four times he led Penn State to undefeated seasons and didn’t win a national championship. Perhaps no other person has been so wronged by the lack of a proper postseason. It may be the only issue where Paterno is considered a forward-thinking revolutionary.

If college football had a playoff from the start Paterno would have been fired ages ago. Playoffs kill coaches. Four times he led the team to undefeated seasons, if there was a playoff would he have won the championship four times? Doubt it, he may have won it once maybe twice. They write this as if Paterno was cheated and he would have won every time in a playoff for sure! In each of those seasons, there was a team or teams that were equal or better. And what if he had a undefeated regular season and got chunked in the first round?
Playoffs = expectations. Coaches that fail in the playoffs get fired.. coaches that win playoffs and fail in subsequent years, get fired.

I am interested in the corruption angle, keeping Bowls just for the sake of grinding out money. I believe corruption exists everywhere regardless of system though. It happens in every professional sport as well.

Montana Moe · 10-13-2010, 07:57 AM

There's no doubt that Paterno, Bowden, etc. would have had shorter stays than they have had. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, I know there are fans of those schools that felt they overstayed their welcome. Paterno can afford to have his opinion now that he's exiting shortly.

As for the corruption, that will be an interesting angle. I'm all for exposing athletics as the businesses that they are, I enjoyed the article about the sports agent posted yesterday, as well. I'm sure there are some folks who don't like hearing that kind of stuff, but I'm too snoopy to not want to know how it all works.

GirlySports · 10-13-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Montana Moe

There's no doubt that Paterno, Bowden, etc. would have had shorter stays than they have had. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, I know there are fans of those schools that felt they overstayed their welcome. Paterno can afford to have his opinion now that he's exiting shortly.

As for the corruption, that will be an interesting angle. I'm all for exposing athletics as the businesses that they are, I enjoyed the article about the sports agent posted yesterday, as well. I'm sure there are some folks who don't like hearing that kind of stuff, but I'm too snoopy to not want to know how it all works.

Yup, Paterno and Bowden should be the last two guys who want a playoff. They would have been gone ages ago.

As for the corruption, it's not a playoff/non-playoff thing. It's a college athletics thing. Basketball, baseball, golf all of it.

FlamingLonghorn · 10-13-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

They left the door wide open for further expansion. If they can get a network to pay for it, which would mean there are indications people would watch, I'd expect continued expansion down the line.

No one would watch it which is why no network will pay for it. And I don't understand the analogy "left the door wide open" was it closed before?

PIMking · 10-13-2010, 12:46 PM

Just because you go into the playoffs undefeated doesn't mean you're gonna win it all. Just ask the Patriots.

valo403 · 10-13-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sowa

No one would watch it which is why no network will pay for it. And I don't understand the analogy "left the door wide open" was it closed before?

They were pretty careful to not make this out to be the be all and end all of expansion of the tournament, hence leaving the door open to possible future expansion.

I don't know that I agree with your first sentence at all. It wouldn't get the ratings that the first round currently gets, but to say nobody would watch it is a pretty big overstatement IMO.

GirlySports · 10-13-2010, 01:49 PM

People would watch even if it was a 128 team tournament. People love filling out brackets and following teams! Then if one of those 28th seeds start making a run and holy smokes the media will go nuts.

habernac · 10-13-2010, 02:30 PM

Former agent Josh Luchs details money paid to college players from back when he was an agent.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl-276421

I don't watch college football, but I know how popular it is. I think it's a crime that the athletes don't get any of the $$$$$ this rakes in for the colleges and the NCAA. Pay them and this problem goes away.

valo403 · 10-13-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by habernac

Former agent Josh Luchs details money paid to college players from back when he was an agent.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl-276421

I don't watch college football, but I know how popular it is. I think it's a crime that the athletes don't get any of the $$$$$ this rakes in for the colleges and the NCAA. Pay them and this problem goes away.

As does college football, which would then be competing directly with the NFL.

transplant99 · 10-13-2010, 03:28 PM

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If college football had a playoff from the start Paterno would have been fired ages ago. Playoffs kill coaches.

Why would he have been fired? He won bowl games and lost bowl games and never got canned, and in the proposed PO system I have seen written about in places, the bowl games are still there as PART of the PO system and as such there wouldn't be any difference on why you get fired or not.

I have no idea why he wasn't gone a LONG time ago, but there is nothing to suggest that PO system would have accelerated that happening.