I think it's time Treliving starts taking some serious heat

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The Brouwer signing is still nothig short of brutal and most of this success is Tod Button's core, plus Frolik, Hamilton and a deadline rental (Stone) who may not be back next year... Let's be real, Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Tkachuk, Brodie, Gio... those guys are the reason for the team success. Tod Button and/or no-brainer draft position...

This is such a popular argument among the helplessly, ideologically entrenched:

The leader I don't like doesn't get any credit for successes that occur under his watch, but he sure as hell must shoulder the full weight of blame for every shortcoming.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

He's been good but Granlund has 19 goals this season, that trades not looking good. Same with the Brower signing although i don't blame him for it. Sven trade is still up in the air. Biggest iffy moment for me is the Monahan contract, i feel he's a tad over paid. Other than that nothing too bad.

It's so hard to judge trades. Do you think Granlund would have scored 19 goals in Calgary? Or Baertschi would be getting the minutes here that he is in Vancouver? I didn't mind either player, but they never would have had the chance in Calgary that they do in Vancouver, because of their weak roster.

All we know for sure is that those players are playing alright on a non-playoff bound team. Look no further than Colborne last season.

[Cole436]

Treliving taking some heat this last month

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Treliving, Gulutzan, Elliott, Hamilton...

At this rate, Calgarypuck is going to be responsible for the endangerment of the North American Crow.

Quick, someone start a Brouwer thread so he can get going before the playoffs.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Even when they went on the run in Nov-Dec I thought it was largely goaltending that drove it and then the 4 straight 4-0 deficits had me convinced this team was going nowhere.

IMO you were mostly right, the first run happened because The Chad was great, not because the team was playing that well. The only part you were wrong about was the pessimism about their chances to turn it around, and you were hardly alone in that.

Really this season is just another reminder how much a team can improve once they find their game. Gulutzans Flames found their game after that loss streak and a talk over beers on the train. Hartleys Flames found a new gear after the linebrawl in Vancouver. Just how it goes.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Itse

IMO you were mostly right, the first run happened because The Chad was great, not because the team was playing that well. The only part you were wrong about was the pessimism about their chances to turn it around, and you were hardly alone in that.

Really this season is just another reminder how much a team can improve once they find their game. Gulutzans Flames found their game after that loss streak and a talk over beers on the train. Hartleys Flames found a new gear after the linebrawl in Vancouver. Just how it goes.

The big difference being that the players themselves believe much more in the "Gulutzan Flames" than they did in the "Hartley Flames".

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

The big difference being that the players themselves believe much more in the "Gulutzan Flames" than they did in the "Hartley Flames".

That's kind of hard to say, at times that team looked very much like they were ready to go through a wall for Hartley and each other.

The bigger difference is the amount of size, depth and experience this team has. Hartleys Flames were a young and undersized group that clearly lacked depth.

In the 2015 playoffs Hartley used 14 guys with no previous NHL playoff experience, including a goalie (Rämö). The current team only 2 has guys without any playoff experience, Tkachuk and Johnson. Plus the team is physically a lot tougher bunch, and more skilled. Brouwers contract might be bad, but I'm pretty happy to have a guy that scored 8 goals and 13 points in the last playoffs on our 3rd line.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Itse

In the 2015 playoffs Hartley used 14 guys with no previous NHL playoff experience, including a goalie (Rämö). The current team only 2 has guys without any playoff experience, Tkachuk and Johnson. Plus the team is physically a lot tougher bunch, and more skilled. Brouwers contract might be bad, but I'm pretty happy to have a guy that scored 8 goals and 13 points in the last playoffs on our 3rd line.

And is anyone worried about Tkachuk in the POs? That kid was made for them.

[calgarywinning]

I think it's time to re-sign Treliving. Deal with that heat.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Haha, I've already said I was wrong numerous times. Completely wrong, an idiot even.

That said, if the Flames didn't put it together I'd still get the boilerplate "they aren't good enough, still rebuilding, give it time" response anyway.

I sit beside two Oiler fans at work. Man they are sour about Calgary passing them. Mentioned it this morning when I got in, the response was "Calgary gets another backup goalie....hurr durr....."

Wasn't meant to pick on you, it just gave me a chuckle when I was going back to read the first couple pages .

I was wrong about GG myself. Now he's my hero. More then anything, I think pretty much all of us can agree the growing pains were worth it!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And is anyone worried about Tkachuk in the POs? That kid was made for them.

Matthew Tkachuk's PPG in the regular season last year was 1.88. His GPG was 0.53.
Matthew Tkachuk's PPG in the playoffs last year was 2.22. His GPG was 1.11.

Yes, please.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And is anyone worried about Tkachuk in the POs? That kid was made for them.

Exaxtly. Oh, and since Gio was injured in 2015, he's actually among the guys with least playoff experience. Somehow I'm not worried about him either

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

It's so hard to judge trades. Do you think Granlund would have scored 19 goals in Calgary? Or Baertschi would be getting the minutes here that he is in Vancouver? I didn't mind either player, but they never would have had the chance in Calgary that they do in Vancouver, because of their weak roster.

All we know for sure is that those players are playing alright on a non-playoff bound team. Look no further than Colborne last season.

Yeah I don't see the Granlund trade as being that great but as you say he wasn't going to get the minutes at centre here. What I thought was he may have done well on LW here but do we really need another small winger. I look at Versteeg as his replacement, so that could be a long argument as to who will fill our needs better. For now I think I'd rather have Versteeg. I guess even if we lose that trade in the long run, it isn't a real biggy.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Let's not forget that Granlund is playing with the Sedins a lot these days. That alone can inflate a mediocre player's goal total drastically. Granlund always had an amazing shot and was solid defensively, but was below average in most other aspects of the game. Now that shot is being put to good use with two of the most elite playmakers to ever play in the NHL.

I remind you all that Anson Carter had a 33 goal season playing with those two. Anson. Carter. 'nuff said.

[bigrangy]

Aside from Brouwer being a total miss, Brad's moves have been overall pretty good. He needs to be extended.

I do however question every part of the organization that didn't see a future 19 goal scorer in Granlund. I had no problem with the trade since Shinkaruk was a good prospect at the time, but I don't think the team makes that trade if they think Granlund has 20 goals in him. I know that Granlund probably wouldn't have a place here but someone messed up on that projection and the Flames are on the way to losing a trade because of it. They need to figure out why that happened and avoid it in the future. I also think the Lazar trade will prove to be a bust, but overall Treliving's wins are much bigger than his losses. No GM will ever be perfect, and as a fan you really have to keep that in mind.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Let's not forget that Granlund is playing with the Sedins a lot these days. That alone can inflate a mediocre player's goal total drastically. Granlund always had an amazing shot and was solid defensively, but was below average in most other aspects of the game. Now that shot is being put to good use with two of the most elite playmakers to ever play in the NHL.

Not anymore. The Sedins are slow and their inability to drive the play with any speed has rendered them predictable. They are actually pretty average second line players now.

I remind you all that Anson Carter had a 33 goal season playing with those two. Anson. Carter. 'nuff said.

That happened more than a decade ago.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Aside from Brouwer being a total miss...

I think it is too early to be writing Brouwer's obituary. He is having an underwhelming season, and these things tend to happen with some regularity. If he is equally as underwhelming next year, then I will agree, but there is still time and reasonable hope that Brouwer becomes a quality UFA acquisition.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Gio's contract is fine. You pay, even overpay your core. You don't overpay the help. But if stone gets signed to a 5x5 for instance i will be worried.

I think you have it backwards man. Most UFA's will almost always be overpaid to long term contracts. And Tre being poor at cap management? He's potentially one of the best NHL GMs at managing the cap. How on earth do you see Stone getting a 5x5 with Brodies contract the way it is?

Do you honestly think he overpaid Gio, Brodie, Gaudreau, or Monahan? Those are contracts that will allow us to secure some pieces at a trade deadline if we want to be a cup contender.

[Vulcan]

Another point about the Granlund trade is that if he didn't make our roster, he'd be subject to waivers. Getting Shinkaruk gives us another 2 years to see how that works.

[oldschoolcalgary]

well, IIRC there wasn't a lot of anger about the granlund trade when it happened.

I'm no coach, but seeing Granlund when he did draw in didn't make me think he'd be any more than a 10-15 guy at best...

of all the misses of the BT, imo, Byron was probably the worst, and this coming from a guy who didn't even like Byron... but it sure seemed like the play would have been to exposed Hillier at that time. An older goalie with a big contract who should have snuck through the waiver wire.

Anyways, i hope they sign BT sooner rather than later.