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View Poll Results: How do you feel about the Baertschi trade
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Flames did very well.
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Flames did okay considering the circumstances
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Neutral. Don't really care.
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Vancouver did okay.
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Vancouver fleeced he Flames.
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03-02-2015, 07:21 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Can we stop debating Janko in this thread? How is it on topic at all?
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Jankowski's law.
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03-02-2015, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
Super job.
Great to mention it here, and be sure (like the others who hold this radical opinion) you bring it up at every given opportunity whether it's relevant or not.
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Hmm...Baertschi 1st rounder in 2011 looking like a bust. Jankowski 1st rounder in 2012 looking like a bust. I can see how maybe it was brought up. But yes go for those online pats on the back.
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03-02-2015, 07:24 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf
I would be surprised if hes on the 2nd line, he would have to earn it
they havent handed any young guys playing time under WD without it being earned
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ya this is a bit weird, I know the fans think this is a good plan looking on paper but there is no way he gets moved up to their 2nd line. If that was the case, why is he going to Utica right now?
Seems strange.
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03-02-2015, 07:25 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Anyways, I've made peace with this. Treliving basically figured that it was time for both the team and the player to either #### or get off the pot.
I'll admit I had much higher hopes for Sven than this, but I also think it says a lot about the confidence of the team, management and the prospects.
He got passed in the depth chart. No one cares how, why or by whom or when they were drafted, its about what you can do.
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03-02-2015, 07:29 PM
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#725
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
Oh my. 2nd line? They either have big expectations for him or their team is going to be hurting next season. Or a bit of both.
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It makes sense, actually. Everyone knows Sven isn't fit for bottom six duty, he won't be waiver eligible, and the Canucks will want to demonstrate they got value for their 2nd rounder. So why not just throw him to the wolves, give him the role his daddy wants, and see if he can hack it?
Sink or swim, kid.
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03-02-2015, 07:30 PM
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#726
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Except for the fact that basically every player selected from 14-22 in that draft looks better than Jankowski.
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Well, since you're just repeating yourself, I'll do the same:
Every single team in the NHL has about a thousand examples of "wish I had drafted that guy instead".
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03-02-2015, 07:30 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Question: if he does not make the Canucks next season can Calgary claim him?
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03-02-2015, 07:30 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Sven was a great Junior player...he is no longer head of the class amongst his peers.
Vancouver is willing to give him a second chance because the upside on that kind of player is worth it.
I don't see how the Flames mishandled him - if there was a team for a young player to earn a spot the past 3 years it was Sven in Calgary. He didn't lack for opportunity, he just didn't rise to the occasion. He just doesnt seem like the kind of guy who would be satisfied with proving himself in the AHL first. I blame the player for that.
Some guys are late bloomers, he may still be a great NHL player, but the Flames have run out of time with him. He demanded a trade and wouldn't re-sign in Calgary. If thats the best deal the Flames could get ...I guess other GM's agree that he is a risky prospect trending more towards bust than diamond in the ruff.
Granland, Wotherspoon and Gaudreau still makes that draft look good ...its weird to stumble on the lowest pick, but #13 looks like a late round steal.
its a bit of a lottery.
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03-02-2015, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Question: if he does not make the Canucks next season can Calgary claim him?
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If he goes on waivers, any team can claim him in reverse order of the standings, in order ranked last to first.
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03-02-2015, 07:34 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by DionTheDman
Since we're blaming people who have nothing to do with the trade now, I'd just like to step up on this soapbox here and point the finger at Dr. Bill Blair, Team Dentist. Clearly if not for his sub-par dentistry work, Sven would still be a productive member of the Calgary Flames. |
I never even thought of that. Don't under estimate George Canyons' roll in this fiasco as well.
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03-02-2015, 07:35 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Question: if he does not make the Canucks next season can Calgary claim him?
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Whether or not they can... Why would they want to at this point? Just to stick it to the Canucks? He wanted out, he got out, move on.
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03-02-2015, 07:36 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Question: if he does not make the Canucks next season can Calgary claim him?
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Yes, law allows them to make a claim.
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03-02-2015, 07:38 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto
I never even thought of that. Don't under estimate George Canyons' roll in this fiasco as well.
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How true. I mean, Canyon did his best, trying to learn the Swiss national anthem in German, French, and Italian. But have you ever heard him trying to sing it in Romansch? Disgraceful. No wonder the team can't keep its Swiss players.
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03-02-2015, 07:39 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
If he goes on waivers, any team can claim him in reverse order of the standings, in order ranked last to first.
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Isn't there a rule where a players rights cannot be owned by a team twice in the same calendar year.
Maybe it was a couple of CBAs ago. But I think that was why Dean Mcammond was ineligible to play for the Flames after they re acquired him years back.
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03-02-2015, 07:40 PM
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#735
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2011 draft has a couple more years before you can make a strong judgement but looking kind of weak so far.
But I guess we did alright. 
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03-02-2015, 07:42 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto
Isn't there a rule where a players rights cannot be owned by a team twice in the same calendar year.
Maybe it was a couple of CBAs ago. But I think that was why Dean Mcammond was ineligible to play for the Flames after they re acquired him years back.
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That rule was there to close a loophole concerning waivers. If you traded a player away before the waiver draft, he was ineligible to play for your team again that season. Basically, you couldn't pay some other team to hide your player on their protected list and then get the player back again.
I believe this rule disappeared when they did away with the waiver draft.
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03-02-2015, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Anduril
2011 draft has a couple more years before you can make a strong judgement but looking kind of weak so far.
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Not from an asset management perspective.
I mean, using a 1st on Baertschi and then only getting a 2nd for him four years later?
Clearly we need to trade Gaudreau for a 3rd to even things out. 'Cos that would totally be good asset management.
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03-02-2015, 07:49 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pengrowth Saddledome, Section 222, Row 23, Seat 14/15
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Baertschi for a 2nd is a steal. Great trade. He was not going to amount to anything in Calgary, he had a bad attitude (thought he deserved more or was owed something), which is what kept him from excelling.
Not all first round picks work out. Actually a lot of them don't. Cashing in for a second before he left for nothing is awesome.
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03-02-2015, 07:52 PM
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All I can get
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Plenty of Second-chancers and reclamation projects available in the summer. Ones that don't need qualifying offers and/or one-way contracts.
Getting a second-round pick was a sweet deal.
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03-02-2015, 07:54 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Not from an asset management perspective.
I mean, using a 1st on Baertschi and then only getting a 2nd for him four years later?
Clearly we need to trade Gaudreau for a 3rd to even things out. 'Cos that would totally be good asset management.
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Doesn't matter when he was drafted, it's about what he's worth now. Baertschi clearly isn't worth a 1st round pick.
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