2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

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Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

I think Markstrom or any plus 30 player is a concern for many teams. It’s possible that the next season will be significantly delayed or cancelled so you could be signing a player who is 32-33 the next time they suit up. Taylor Hall would be in that category as well.

The Flames need to focus more then ever on acquiring young talent and potential.

Yeah I'm probably in the minority, and of course it depends what he'd cost, but I'd rather go after Murray than sign Markstrom.

I think if you can get Murray in exchange for roster players (not picks/prospects), it could be a low risk gamble that could have long term huge benefit.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am pretty apprehensive about goalies in general. There are too many examples of goalies that have very short peaks in their careers.

Having said that, Markstrom didn't just become good overnight. He has been building up for the past few seasons, so it might not be a bad gamble.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not at all keen- but if we want to sign Pietro something needs to change on our backend, and I keep getting shouted down for proposing Gio trades. Since I like Andersson better than Hanifin, it's Hanifin that had to go to make it work.
It actually would work out WAYYY better if we could trade Gio and sign Pietro.

The Flames aren't going to sign Pietrangelo 8+ mil for 7 years for a guy who is 30 is awful cap management.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Flames aren't going to sign Pietrangelo 8+ mil for 7 years for a guy who is 30 is awful cap management.

We essentially did exactly this for Giordano, and Pietro is just better than Gio was at the same age. If we're trying to maximize the next 5 year window with elements of this core, this move fortifies our D for that entire period.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

We essentially did exactly this for Giordano, and Pietro is just better than Gio was at the same age. If we're trying to maximize the next 5 year window with elements of this core, this move fortifies our D for that entire period.

A lot sure depends on where you think the cap will go over that time too.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

We essentially did exactly this for Giordano, and Pietro is just better than Gio was at the same age. If we're trying to maximize the next 5 year window with elements of this core, this move fortifies our D for that entire period.

There are a few big differences.

Firstly, the Flames signed the Gio contract in a very difference cap context, The Flames still had some flexibility in that manner, which is no longer the case.

Secondly, $6,750,000 for a point in time was a steal of a deal ( this season onward it is an overpay). Pietrangelo is 100% going to make more than 8 mill next year no matter what team it is on

Thirdly, Gio was an exception to the rule being able to play elite hockey after the age of 32. Just because a player can still do it at 29 means nothing moving forward. Pietrangelo could easily #### the bed, the Flames were lucky Gio never blew up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Flames aren't going to sign Pietrangelo 8+ mil for 7 years for a guy who is 30 is awful cap management.

If he is actually willing to sign here under 9M they better do it lol

[Strange Brew]

If Vancouver lets Markstrom walk and goes with Demko, it's a good example of a high variance strategy IMO. It's also an acknowledgement that luck plays a role in winning.

I'm hopeful at some point this organization starts to think more along those lines.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If Vancouver lets Markstrom walk and goes with Demko, it's a good example of a high variance strategy IMO. It's also an acknowledgement that luck plays a role in winning.

I'm hopeful at some point this organization starts to think more along those lines.

I hope the Flames never let their MVP walk lol

If this was their master plan they should have traded Markstrom...losing a player of that quality for nothing and hoping a young guy can do the job isn't smart management

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I hope the Flames never let their MVP walk lol

If this was their master plan they should have traded Markstrom...losing a player of that quality for nothing and hoping a young guy can do the job isn't smart management

They could have had full intention to re-sign him, and Markstrom wasn't interested, and that didn't really come to fruition until after the deadline. Hard to say when we're not part of the negotiations.

Agree it'd be a big fail from the Canucks perspective, but I could see how it could get to that point with a player if the intentions weren't clear.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I hope the Flames never let their MVP walk lol

If this was their master plan they should have traded Markstrom...losing a player of that quality for nothing and hoping a young guy can do the job isn't smart management

That's not the point of what I was getting at.

Losing Markstrom for nothing would be bad. As would losing Brodie for nothing who was awfully close to being our playoff MVP.

I"m not referring to who has a good master plan, more about the types of decisions that get made. You look at most of our player moves, and they very much fit the profile of low variance decisions.

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I think Pietro should be the Flames #1 target if possible. He fills the biggest need on this team. Forget Hall, we don't need another LW nearly as bad as another top D man or a goalie.

[1qqaaz]

Is Pietrangelo currently the best Canadian defenseman?
It seems like despite his age, he would have a long way to fall into order to no longer be elite.

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think Pietro should be the Flames #1 target if possible. He fills the biggest need on this team. Forget Hall, we don't need another LW nearly as bad as another top D man or a goalie.

Trade for a G (Murray, Andersen, Georgiev, Demko?)

Sign Piet

Probably trade Johnny for picks/prospects to make the cap work (because I think you get more for him this year than next year)

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Is Pietrangelo currently the best Canadian defenseman?
It seems like despite his age, he would have a long way to fall into order to no longer be elite.

Makar might honestly be pretty close.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Makar might honestly be pretty close.

I understand the excitement around Makar and Hughes, but they have quite a way to catch the defensive ability of Pietroangelo or Seth Jones. Probably a couple of others. It usually takes a player a few years in the league to really be elite on the defensive side of the puck.

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I understand the excitement around Makar and Hughes, but they have quite a way to catch the defensive ability of Pietroangelo or Seth Jones. Probably a couple of others. It usually takes a player a few years in the league to really be elite on the defensive side of the puck.

While I agree, Seth Jones is American.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Is Pietrangelo currently the best Canadian defenseman?
It seems like despite his age, he would have a long way to fall into order to no longer be elite.

To be clear, I have no issues with Pietrangelo as he is now, it is the cap hit and term that I am uncomfortable with.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Icon

Trade for a G (Murray, Andersen, Georgiev, Demko?)

Sign Piet

Probably trade Johnny for picks/prospects to make the cap work (because I think you get more for him this year than next year)

You don't trade Johnny, that just opens up another hole. You can make the cap work without trading Gaudreau.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

To be clear, I have no issues with Pietrangelo as he is now, it is the cap hit and term that I am uncomfortable with.

I just doubt that Pietrangelo would sign with Calgary. There doesn't seem to be many connections to the city.

And if he did, like you said, it might be at an unreasonable cat hit and term.

Very good player though.