Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Connor Brown numbers in Ottawa were much better than they were in Toronto. But he got a bigger role was usually top 5 in forward ice on the PP.

That is not happening in Edmonton, similar to Toronto. His 5 on 5 numbers aren't great and now he will be 30 and missed an entire season. He does not have high end skill, size or speed so he's a risk to be very over paid and a bust for the Oilers this season. On paper I can see why the fans up north are excited when you compare him to the other depth but IMO Klostin is probably a better player at this point in Brown's career.

I believe Kostin will be the next Lance Bouma. His underlying numbers were bad, and his scoring chance conversion was through the roof.

His on-ice shooting % was tops on the Oilers. His personal 5v5 shooting % was 19.64 which is a Stamkos in a career year type of number.

Klimdros was a fun story, but he'll probably be scoring more like a 4th liner next season.

Brown was top 5 in Ottawa in underlying 5v5 numbers. A bit below 50% on things but the team was bad. His 1.71 p/60 is acceptable for a top six guy. I didn't watch Ottawa at all recently but their fans universally loved him. He plays the game the right way.

Missing a season to a major knee injury is a concern for sure.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I believe Kostin will be the next Lance Bouma. His underlying numbers were bad, and his scoring chance conversion was through the roof.

His on-ice shooting % was tops on the Oilers. His personal 5v5 shooting % was 19.64 which is a Stamkos in a career year type of number.

Klimdros was a fun story, but he'll probably be scoring more like a 4th liner next season.

Brown was top 5 in Ottawa in underlying 5v5 numbers. A bit below 50% on things but the team was bad. His 1.71 p/60 is acceptable for a top six guy. I didn't watch Ottawa at all recently but their fans universally loved him. He plays the game the right way.

Missing a season to a major knee injury is a concern for sure.

Sure, but his GAF meter was super high, as was Yamamoto's. You lost two guys that went all out for every second of their 4 minutes of ice time.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sure, but his GAF meter was super high, as was Yamamoto's. You lost two guys that went all out for every second of their 4 minutes of ice time.

I love how these guys are thought of as borderline all stars whenever they're an Oiler but the minute they're not they instantly become 4th liners with little value. LOL.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sure, but his GAF meter was super high, as was Yamamoto's. You lost two guys that went all out for every second of their 4 minutes of ice time.

I would agree on Yamamoto. Not clear how much of an upgrade Brown is on Kailer. I had a lot of time for him. He was a gamer. Brown seems like essentially the same player with 30 more pounds which might work out better come playoff time. Apparently Ottawa's best PKer according to the fans and the Oilers need to be better there.

Kostin brought effort every game in the playoffs, but he disappeared for large stretches of the regular season. Woodcroft also didn't trust him defensively and heavily sheltered him in the postseason.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I would agree on Yamamoto. Not clear how much of an upgrade Brown is on Kailer. I had a lot of time for him. He was a gamer. Brown seems like essentially the same player with 30 more pounds which might work out better come playoff time. Apparently Ottawa's best PKer according to the fans and the Oilers need to be better there.

Kostin brought effort every game in the playoffs, but he disappeared for large stretches of the regular season. Woodcroft also didn't trust him defensively and heavily sheltered him in the postseason.

So to summarize, your whole season hinges on Janmark instead of Kostin on the third line.

[FlamesAddiction]

Daily Faceoff ranks the Oilers last in cap efficiency.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hocke...cap-efficiency

The website kicked off its annual salary cap rankings list and determined that no team in the NHL is in a worse situation financially.

Even with just 21 players on the roster, the Oilers still only have $382,499 in cap space.

The rankings system looks at good versus bad contracts, bargain deals, no movement clauses, dead cap space, and quality of long-term deals.

The Oilers ranked second-last in last year’s edition.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Daily Faceoff ranks the Oilers last in cap efficiency.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hocke...cap-efficiency

Interesting how the remaining two Chiarelli deals are the only thing keeping them afloat, especially Draisatl.

[1qqaaz]

If the Oilers were that bad in terms of cap efficiency, they wouldn't be a competitive playoff team.

Montreal has -4.7 mill in cap space and is likely a bottom feeder.

Long term, they have cap problems. But in a vacuum, for this year, they're fine in terms of cap efficiency. And even for this year, they have problems with depth, defense, goaltending, etc. But not cap efficiency.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz;8809851[B

]If the Oilers were that bad in terms of cap efficiency, they wouldn't be a competitive playoff team[/B].

Montreal has -4.7 mill in cap space and is likely a bottom feeder.

Long term, they have cap problems. But in a vacuum, for this year, they're fine in terms of cap efficiency. And even for this year, they have problems with depth, defense, goaltending, etc. But not cap efficiency.

??? The last few cup winners have depended on LTIR to be compliant. You cite Montreal but ignore TB, Colorado, Toronto, Florida and Vegas, all of whom have similar or worse cap deficits.

And their problems with depth have a lot to do with their cap issues.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If the Oilers were that bad in terms of cap efficiency, they wouldn't be a competitive playoff team.

Montreal has -4.7 mill in cap space and is likely a bottom feeder.

Long term, they have cap problems. But in a vacuum, for this year, they're fine in terms of cap efficiency. And even for this year, they have problems with depth, defense, goaltending, etc. But not cap efficiency.

I don’t know if cap efficiency is determined by how competitive a team is as you can still be competitive with some pretty bad contracts. The fact that they have dead cap space, can’t carry a full roster, and have guys like Campbell and Nurse making what they make for what they bring is a pretty big sign that their use of cap space is inefficient.

The only reason they are competitive is because of McDavid. Once McDavid and Draisaitl get raises, however, it will be even harder to ice a competitive team with efficiency as poor as they have.

But Montreal has $5M+ in cap space. Not -$4M. Everybody knows Price is LTIR.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Seriously though... the E=NG material writes itself....

Originally Posted by Bingo

https://twitter.com/user/status/1699492771982369227

Yep Oiler fan ... no one else is doing it!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I can assure you it's not an exception lol.

Professional hockey players practicing in September isn't exactly a unicorn sighting, bro.

Numerous times we've had parts of the Flames team back and practicing at winsport in August.

Guaranteed he didn't even bother to check anywhere else to see that it's happening all over.

They were just chomping on the bit to get this year's team of destiny chatter going, conjured up some dribble.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Every CPer in good standing should take the E=NG Pledge...

1. When afforded the opportunity, never fail to take a warranted (or just gratuitous) shot at the Oilers/Edmonton.

2. Remember to always kick them when they are down. Without fail. No mercy.

Feel free to add more.

[FlamesAddiction]

Do they put up an "Informal Skate '23" banner?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Every CPer in good standing should take the E=NG Pledge...

1. When afforded the opportunity, never fail to take a warranted (or just gratuitous) shot at the Oilers/Edmonton.

2. Remember to always kick them when they are down. Without fail. No mercy.

Feel free to add more.

Whenever I feel like s###ing on people, I s###t on Edmonton instead.

Never steered me wrong.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If the Oilers were that bad in terms of cap efficiency, they wouldn't be a competitive playoff team.

They were a competitive playoff team last year. Their cap situation is worse now. They need a 21-man roster just to be barely compliant. One injury and they'll be forced to dress 7 D. Two, and they'll be plugging a hole with whatever they can dredge out of Bakersfield.

I predict a lot of Oilers will be playing with nagging injuries that seriously limit their effectiveness. They simply can't afford to sit anyone who isn't hurt badly enough to qualify for LTIR.

[FlamesAddiction]

The $3.25 million performance bonus for Connor Brown could really come back to bite them next season as well. All he has to do is play in 10 games to get the bonus, and they will have to carry that as dead space next season.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I predict a lot of Oilers will be playing with nagging injuries that seriously limit their effectiveness. They simply can't afford to sit anyone who isn't hurt badly enough to qualify for LTIR.

Future lawsuits.

[memphusk]

How much performance bonus can one player carry? Could a team give a guy 10 million for 10 games if need be?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by memphusk

How much performance bonus can one player carry? Could a team give a guy 10 million for 10 games if need be?

For players on their ELCs, there are defined limits, but I don't think there's any limit for veterans who qualify for performance bonuses (either players over 35 or veteran players who missed a significant number of games due to injury in the previous season).

When Iggy signed with Boston, his base salary was only $1.8 million and his performance bonuses were $4.2 million and very easy to earn.