2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Good question.

I wonder if Kyllington + Ryan + a 3rd would get it done.

Ryan would move the cap, and give them a roster player for the season. So the true add would be Kyllington + a 3rd is that too little?

Since Ryan and Kylington both passed through waivers, they have no value. Ryan likely has negative value.

So you likely need to give up some actual value.


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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Since Ryan and Kylington both passed through waivers, they have no value. Ryan likely has negative value.

So you likely need to give up some actual value.


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As fun as it is to believe that when someone like, say, James Neal clears waivers, that's not what that means.

Alex Galechenyuk is a recent example.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As fun as it is to believe that when someone like, say, James Neal clears waivers, that's not what that means.

Alex Galechenyuk is a recent example.

Galechenyuk was not picked up on waivers but was moved when someone had to take two unwanted contracts in return.

A guy like Ryan has too much cap attached to be taken without cap going back in return. The new cap world under COVID.


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[Harry Lime]

I wish that NHL writers would pick up on the way MLB writers discuss a trade concerning propects, and add a rating for context. Even just saying that the NHL.com rating for Korshkov was #10 in the Leafs system and Warsofsky was #22 would mean a lot more than just listing them.

By the way, NHL.com is a horrible example. Maybe the Athletic or something comparable to Baseball America.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Oh you had to know we were going to run that one back. That was a guarantee the instant he signed a 1 year deal.

I was on the fence about a Hall signing last year.

But he takes a 1-year deal to sign with the Sabres.

I have no need for 30 year old Taylor Hall for 7+ years at this point.

If he’d signed with the Bruins or Vegas, that’d be one thing.

The Sabres.

Someone else can have him. He’s Slender Phil Kessel at this point. You can’t commit to players like that.

[nik-]

Still no to Taylor Hall.

[TheScorpion]

Phil Kessel has two Cups.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Phil Kessel has two Cups.

With two elite centers.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by nik-

With two elite centers.

Well, only kinda. He played with Nick Bonino and Carl Hagelin for both those wins. Remember the HBK line?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by nik-

With two elite centers.

Technically, he played with Nick Bonino for one of them and yet led that team in playoff scoring.

[nik-]

Matchups matter. There's no Crosby and Malkin for a Taylor Hall to feast behind on the Calgary Flames.

If people want to use Phil Kessel on the Penguins as a potential analog for Hall on the Flames then I just don't know what to say.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Phil Kessel has two Cups.

Well first of all they aren’t similar players at all in terms of commitment and two way play. Not like Hall is Backlund or anything. But Kessel is not a Hall comparison.

[TheScorpion]

Hey, I wasn't the one who compared Hall to Kessel. I think Hall is a lot better at driving play on his own.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hey, I wasn't the one who compared Hall to Kessel. I think Hall is a lot better at driving play on his own.

Yeah sorry, just used your post as a springboard.

Hall also puts up twice the hits, blocks, and takeaways.

[Vinny01]

I think Hall would be a very nice fit on the Gaudreau-Monahan line. A lot better than Bennett, Simon, Leivo etc.

A Bennett+ package would be pretty decent for Buffalo who basically gets to test drive Bennett for a free agent they signed in the offseason. Flames likely need to add a 1st which would be a steal for the Sabres when looking at it from an asset standpoint.

[keenan87]

I see Hall 3.0 talks have begun.. see what happens this time

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Galechenyuk was not picked up on waivers but was moved when someone had to take two unwanted contracts in return.

A guy like Ryan has too much cap attached to be taken without cap going back in return. The new cap world under COVID.


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As someone else mentioned, a waiver cleared Galchenyuk actually has a little more value because he can be assigned directly to the taxi squad without fear of losing him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Galechenyuk was not picked up on waivers but was moved when someone had to take two unwanted contracts in return.

A guy like Ryan has too much cap attached to be taken without cap going back in return. The new cap world under COVID.


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Well, in the deal being discussed, a lot of cap goes the other way.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Since Ryan and Kylington both passed through waivers, they have no value. Ryan likely has negative value.

So you likely need to give up some actual value.


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This is just not true. Players who pass through waivers are not claimed for a variety of reasons unrelated to their trade value. I am pretty sure that closer to the TD a player like Ryan would interest some teams as a depth acquisition in exchange for a low pick.

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[David Struch]

Granlund would be useful on the 2nd powerplay unit.
Haula is a good faceoff guy.
Ekholm was on Backlund's 2018 Team Sweden World Championship Team.

8.3 million out (Bennett, Hanifin, Kylington) and 9.25 coming in.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Dubé
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Granlund
Lucic - Backlund - Mangiapane
Nordström - Haula - Leivo
Ryan/Simon

Giordano - Välimäki
Ekholm - Andersson
Mackey - Tanev
Nesterov

Markström
Rittich