Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Oilers sign Keegan Lowe. Yup, that Keegan Lowe.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.copp...tistic-failure

I wonder if he knows a little bit about winning

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

While the oilers are truly no good, the caps bought an extra 3 (I think) years of UFA, so it actually wouldn't surprise me if he got around the same number.

there' s a trade off though.

Sure the Oilers could sign draistl for a similar amount, but that would be at the expense of UFA years... just makes him a UFA faster if the Oilers don't pony up the cash.

i think the contract is in the 9 per range with only a couple of UFA years in there...

[iloveicedhockey]

But kuznetzov's 8 year deal bought 6 years UFA, therefore if the oil buy 3 years UFA for Draisatl it should in theory come in pretty similar, if you assume he's a little better than kuznetzov. However, this is the oilers, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was 8.5 ish.

[drewtastic]

Has this been posted? Sorry if so. Probably worth reposting anyhow.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...ts-critics-say

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Oilers sign Keegan Lowe. Yup, that Keegan Lowe.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.copp...tistic-failure

I watched him in the A over 2 years ago & he was bonehead trash. Poor risky junior decision making.

Such a joke.

But him & Dylan Simpson are the second coming...

[djsFlames]

^ Lol so pathetic. As if an article will make a difference. But go ahead and poke the bear's camp with the "you should be a good person and take less money" angle.

Whether he signs for 13.25 or 10, the Oilers are not going to win anyways so don't hold your breath, ya old greasers. I don't see a reality where Chia is savvy enough to assemble a winning blue line and depth given that the market has to this point taken the Oilers to the cleaners because everyone wants to screw them, and they have now pissed a lot of once-assets away for minimal return.

This is the guy that traded Seguin away for nothing. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he does the same with Leon....somehow.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

Has this been posted? Sorry if so. Probably worth reposting anyhow.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...ts-critics-say

To be fair, that was far and away the most level headed and unbiased piece I've ever read from Staples. His points at the bottom are all valid.

[Stay Golden]

Greasers just crapped their pants with the Kuznetsov 7.8m cap hit. If they thought they were going to get Draisatl for Monahan cap hit 6.3m ha, have fun dealing with Draisatl's camp now.

[Reggie Dunlop]

[Locke]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

Has this been posted? Sorry if so. Probably worth reposting anyhow.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...ts-critics-say

I have to say that is some of the most uninspired BS I've seen written in a really long time.

McDavid should take whatever he can get, hes a huge part of that team and guess what, if they effectively spin their wheels because they couldnt build a team around him then he can always ask for a trade a few years down the line and despite his price-tag there will be takers.

I think a great comparable is Phil Kessel.

Signed for big money on a Toronto team that wasnt getting it done, eventually gets traded to Pittsburgh and is now sitting on a pair of Cups.

Oh....and he gets paid. Best of both worlds.

So fast forward 5 years when Connor has had to attend a few draft parties and he decides hes had enough, there will be suitors.

Now, some of the uninitiated and unintelligent will say:

"He was only at those draft parties because of his greed, if hed taken less then management could have built a winner around him!!"

Really? In what universe has Oilers management shown themselves in any way capable of building a winner without ping-pong balls? That team was built by the NHL's ping-pong ball machine.

And even if they had, thats not his problem. Believe it or not Management's job is to create a winning team for their Organization, not just for Connor.

Connor's job is to play well and if he plays well he gets paid well, Management's job is to assemble a collection of people expected to play well, not complaining that the Phenom that was gifted to them by the Almighty NHL Ping-Pong Ball Machine is preventing them from winning by playing well.

Its like a self-fulfilling/self-defeating prophecy.

[MisterJoji]

I honestly believe that if Treliving was handling this, he'd get McDavid signed to a cheaper deal. He has proven to be a masterful negotiator when it comes to re-signings.

Backlund at 3.75 is below market.
Brodie at 4.65 is an absolute steal.
Gio at 6.75 is market value.
Hamilton at 5.75 is below market value.
Monaghan at 6.375 is at market value.
Gaudreau at 6.75 is market value.
Versteeg at 1.75 is a steal.

It'll be interesting to see what Ferland, Bennett and Lazar come in at.

I just think Chiarelli is a piss poor negotiator.

[Realistic]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I honestly believe that if Treliving was handling this, he'd get McDavid signed to a cheaper deal. He has proven to be a masterful negotiator when it comes to re-signings.

Backlund at 3.75 is below market.
Brodie at 4.65 is an absolute steal.
Gio at 6.75 is market value.
Hamilton at 5.75 is below market value.
Monaghan at 6.375 is at market value.
Gaudreau at 6.75 is market value.
Versteeg at 1.75 is a steal.

It'll be interesting to see what Ferland, Bennett and Lazar come in at.

I just think Chiarelli is a piss poor negotiator.

No he wouldn't have, there is no way a team he was a GM of would have been that bad and ended up with McDavid.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Realistic

No he wouldn't have, there is no way a team he was a GM of would have been that bad and ended up with McDavid.

To be fair, Tobias was only GM of the oilers for 2 months before they drafted the saviour.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I honestly believe that if Treliving was handling this, he'd get McDavid signed to a cheaper deal. He has proven to be a masterful negotiator when it comes to re-signings.

Backlund at 3.75 is below market.
Brodie at 4.65 is an absolute steal.
Gio at 6.75 is market value.
Hamilton at 5.75 is below market value.
Monaghan at 6.375 is at market value.
Gaudreau at 6.75 is market value.
Versteeg at 1.75 is a steal.

It'll be interesting to see what Ferland, Bennett and Lazar come in at.

I just think Chiarelli is a piss poor negotiator.

Klefboms contract is pretty nice.
Talbot as well.
Kassian
Letestu deal is fair

I think thats all hes done outside of other ufa contracts. Most of those are overpays but Treliving has done the same thing when it comes to UFAs.

Thats the nature of UFA deals really.

[CrazyCaper]

I have a feeling that the delay in announcing McDavid's new contract is because of Connor's camp pushing for a heavy laden bonus structure similar to Carey Price. They want guaranteed money in case of a lockout. Oilers are pushing back. We'll see who caves first.

[Realistic]

Originally Posted by CrazyCaper

I have a feeling that the delay in announcing McDavid's new contract is because of Connor's camp pushing for a heavy laden bonus structure similar to Carey Price. They want guaranteed money in case of a lockout. Oilers are pushing back. We'll see who caves first.

I bet the Coilers and Chiapet, he looked pretty stressed at his little press conference.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CrazyCaper

I have a feeling that the delay in announcing McDavid's new contract is because of Connor's camp pushing for a heavy laden bonus structure similar to Carey Price. They want guaranteed money in case of a lockout. Oilers are pushing back. We'll see who caves first.

Why would the Oilers push back on that though? That seems an odd hill to die on. I assume that they're prepared to pay him not that they're banking on getting some 'lockout-savings.'

[djsFlames]

Brouwer and Bouma deals were poor. The thing is the core/top players have all been signed at either reasonable or great numbers. And now many fringe players are taking discounts to stay. Stone and Versteeg could've easily moved on and fetched far more in salary and term.

Poor contracts form the Oilers have spanned since long before Chia's tenure. And include many of the core/important players. Talbot is the one shining example of a bargain, but his coming out party as a starter was also very recent. If he was due for a contract this year, he'd be taking them to the cleaners just like Connor and Leon. Remember the infamous 6x6 deals? Terrible. Then you have Lucic, Russell and soon to be Draisaitl's monstrosity. And I guess McDavid's can be considered fair given inflation, comparables and what he provides, but in no world is a 13+ million a year contract considered good, or great. Or as some astoundingly put it, a "steal".

Enjoy cap hell.

[CrazyCaper]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why would the Oilers push back on that though? That seems an odd hill to die on. I assume that they're prepared to pay him not that they're banking on getting some 'lockout-savings.'

With that significant amount of money being doled out and no revenue coming in, ownership has to have extremely deep pockets. I know Katz is stupid rich but if I'm the owner, I hate paying for something that is just sitting there idle for what could equate to an entire missed season.

Not saying they won't do it but it's not like every player in the league has this kind of structure.