Heard about the deal when I was out to dinner. Just getting my thoughts out now.
Not slam dunk value, but not bad at all. A 2nd in this draft, potential to get a third, and a prospect that Conroy obviously likes. More arrows in the quiver means better success rate.
If Conroy can pull in a first and a second for Hanifin the Flames will be walking away with 6 prospects out of their top 60 at the draft in addition to the new guys brought in this year. Our scouts must be licking their chops.
It’s going to take a while to retool this team. It’s just so refreshing to see this team finally make moves in the right direction for the long term health of the club.
It's funny, people saying that Dallas "won" (mostly on other sites) but then saying the Flames likely don't even get the 3rd lol.
So Dallas won but won't win anything and will lose Tanev in a couple months
You have to admit this is a far cry from when Calgary used to pick up average players to take the place of our younger players in the lineup.
Conroy was serious about giving our younger players an opportunity. They probably have a plan that's looking two or three years down the road, and a lot of people are stuck on wanting to see impact players "right now". Kind of reminds me of Treliving when he tended to pick up players that were shiny in the media and on the market, but probably missed a lot on the finer points on a player that fit a broader plan.
It's fair, usually the general public thinks the team that gets the big name "won" but when there is only one cup the selling team almost always wins or at least ties...I don't mind if Dallas wins the cup, could be a win/win with that extra 3rd. (and no Oilers, Jets, Canucks, Leafs)
by far the most likely scenario is Dallas losses in round one or two and Tanev walks
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Remember that although this draft doesn't have the high end top picks of last year, it is supposed to be pretty strong value through two rounds before a dropoff. It's possible that there isn't a tonne of difference between pick 30 and pick 50. All dependent on the strength of the scouting staff, for each club.
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Now I need to see Grushnikov for myself, to get a glimpse of what Conroy & Co. (and the Stars and their scouts) see in this kid that the analytics don't capture. That means I'll have to dig way, way down among the pocket lint and dust bunnies in my wallet, and pony up for some Wranglers tickets.
These things have a way of working out. The Wranglers are having an ‘Indigenous Celebration Night’ March 10, and my wife, who is Cree, is keen to go. So with any luck, we'll see Grushnikov in person then.
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Hanifin and Lindholm were the ones I was expecting a 1st for in a trade for sure. Zadorov was never going to get one. They opted for a player in the Toffoli trade which has turned out better than expected. Tanev was a maybe for me on a 1st. Conroy showed patience so I’ll just assume he didn’t randomly throw in the towel.
Yeah I look at it as a range of "fair" value for each player with a high end (fair but good value) and a low end (still fair but not as strong).
I feel like we've gotten in that fair value range on everyone but closer to the low end.
Lots of people thought Tanev retained could get a 1st. I think the final deal was on the lower end of fair for us.
I thought toffoli could fetch a 1st since he was good value, coming off a career year and Bertuzzi did.
Sharangovich has worked out but to what end? If we trade him for a 1st that will change my tune but other then that he's just a stopgap on a re-whatevering team.
I think the lindholm deal was the best. Fair again but not a homerun as some are saying.
Hopefully Serevalli is wrong on the Hanifin return being underwhelming.
What's the difference between Flsmes retaining 75% salary and then getting the extra 4th rounder, then sending the pick to NJD for 25% to unload 50% of it from the trade
vs
Flames retaining 50% salary and Stars selling the other 25% of salary as a dump to NJD for 4th rounder?
Same difference, just a legal loophole that worked but for the Flames that 4th rounder could've gotten them maybe another Gaudreau just like a second rounder gets an Andersson.
What's the difference between Flsmes retaining 75% salary and then getting the extra 4th rounder, then sending the pick to NJD for 25% to unload 50% of it from the trade
vs
Flames retaining 50% salary and Stars selling the other 25% of salary as a dump to NJD for 4th rounder?
Same difference, just a legal loophole that worked but Flames but that 4th rounder could've gotten them maybe another Gaudreau just like a second rounder gets an Andersson.
You're not getting it. It's not a ‘legal loophole’. There is no loophole. There is no way for one team to retain 75% on a contract. If somebody made a trade that included 75% retention, the league would instantly void it.
It was absolutely impossible for your first scenario to happen. The closest thing to a ‘loophole’ here is that New Jersey could insert themselves into the deal to retain the extra 25%. No matter how you slice it, that was not going to give any extra benefit to the Flames.
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What's the difference between Flsmes retaining 75% salary and then getting the extra 4th rounder, then sending the pick to NJD for 25% to unload 50% of it from the trade
vs
Flames retaining 50% salary and Stars selling the other 25% of salary as a dump to NJD for 4th rounder?
Same difference, just a legal loophole that worked but Flames but that 4th rounder could've gotten them maybe another Gaudreau just like a second rounder gets an Andersson.
The rules
The rules stop them from doing that
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What's the difference between Flsmes retaining 75% salary and then getting the extra 4th rounder, then sending the pick to NJD for 25% to unload 50% of it from the trade
vs
Flames retaining 50% salary and Stars selling the other 25% of salary as a dump to NJD for 4th rounder?
Same difference, just a legal loophole that worked but for the Flames that 4th rounder could've gotten them maybe another Gaudreau just like a second rounder gets an Andersson.
Huh? Flames can’t retain more than 50% per the CBA.
What's the difference between Flsmes retaining 75% salary and then getting the extra 4th rounder, then sending the pick to NJD for 25% to unload 50% of it from the trade
vs
Flames retaining 50% salary and Stars selling the other 25% of salary as a dump to NJD for 4th rounder?
Same difference, just a legal loophole that worked but for the Flames that 4th rounder could've gotten them maybe another Gaudreau just like a second rounder gets an Andersson.
The Flames obviously took the best offer they felt was available. But they didn't have to take any offer for 8 days. The Flames control the D market this year. There was minimal pressure to be the first party to swerve.
Agree with all of this, but I wonder if this trade being made a week early actually gives Conroy some additional leverage for a potential Hanifin deal, given that he’s now (arguably) in a tier of his own when it comes to UFA d-men.
Particularly since Tanev didn’t go to one of the teams most often rumoured to be after a d-man.
Yeah I look at it as a range of "fair" value for each player with a high end (fair but good value) and a low end (still fair but not as strong).
I feel like we've gotten in that fair value range on everyone but closer to the low end.
Lots of people thought Tanev retained could get a 1st. I think the final deal was on the lower end of fair for us.
I thought toffoli could fetch a 1st since he was good value, coming off a career year and Bertuzzi did.
Sharangovich has worked out but to what end? If we trade him for a 1st that will change my tune but other then that he's just a stopgap on a re-whatevering team.
I think the lindholm deal was the best. Fair again but not a homerun as some are saying. Just right in the middle of that range.
Hopefully Serevalli is wrong on the Hanifin return being underwhelming.
These things have a way of working out. The Wranglers are having an ‘Indigenous Celebration Night’ March 10, and my wife, who is Cree, is keen to go. So with any luck, we'll see Grushnikov in person then.
Awesome, hope you both have a great time. Good to hear those nights are still allowed in the AHL.
