[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[Major Major]

I don't buy the soft market...

I also don't understand what difference that would make. Conroy looks at the market, thinks it's soft and then calls the agent and says please? It's not in his court whether Hanifin signs or not. He could offer more money... But it's not about that. It's about whether Hanifin wants to stay. We very likely already have the highest bid.

So I don't understand how any of that leads to Hanifin being closer to signing here. I hope it's true, but it doesn't add up.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Signing Hanifin also doesn’t negate your ability to trade him next season.

It just ensures you’re not losing him for nothing.

Absolutely. And that is the imperative first step. But I think, at this point, that is a given. He will be signed or traded (or both)

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I don't buy for a second that the market is soft for a 27 year old top pairing defensemen who is having the year that Noah is. These players very rarely hit the trade market.

That ignores the fact that the asset might be viewed as a pure rental given contract status and the rumours flying around about his pickiness on where he plays. So softness is relative. Soft likely in view to what Conny wants to get for that type of asset.

[Gaskal]

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I don't buy the soft market...

I also don't understand what difference that would make. Conroy looks at the market, thinks it's soft and then calls the agent and says please? It's not in his court whether Hanifin signs or not. He could offer more money... But it's not about that. It's about whether Hanifin wants to stay. We very likely already have the highest bid.

So I don't understand how any of that leads to Hanifin being closer to signing here. I hope it's true, but it doesn't add up.

It doesn’t add up because people create these narratives out of limited information and then decide they can only have binary conclusions.

“He will, or he won’t.”

For all we know, he might be just as happy with both and have told Conroy as much.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Even if Hanifin missed a "deadline", you don't just say "OK, now he's being traded for sure". That just drives the price down. Saying he still might be extended keeps the bidding teams on their toes.

You don't trade him until you have a deal you like. Until then your options are open.

No! Conroy should show his cards so that anxious fans can be placated.

[flambers]

I would bet, once Hanifin provides the Flames the official answer, if he chooses to not to sign.

Flames would definitely move him

I would guess, Conroy has already made plans for either option

[MissTeeks]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1756004604352016881

with so much at stake, the all-star break offered hanifin the perfect chance to gather with family in boston to help him try figuring out if the grass is greener elsewhere.

“it’s a huge decision, and my family plays a huge part in that,” said the 27-year-old defenceman in a one-on-one chat.

“my fiancée, my parents, my brother and sisters were all home, so i was able to discuss with them the whole situation because obviously it’s going to be coming to a head sooner rather than later.”
indeed, it has to.

“it’s definitely on my mind - i’d be lying if i said it wasn’t,” he said.

“but i’m just trying to control what i can, and that’s just playing hockey and trying to perform and help the team get wins.

“sometimes these contract years can be a lot to process, but hockey has almost been a good escape for me, just getting on the ice and playing games and hanging with the guys.”

[Bonded]

Too bad Hanifin won't sign with the Coyotes. Would be the best 1st by far.

[BrennyBaller]

This is pure speculation, but with Conroy being firm on a 1st back for Tanev as well as likely getting a first for Hanifin, that would leave the Flames with an influx of 1sts over the next few years. I bet Conroy wants to gather that a flip it for a young C.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Signing Hanifin also doesn’t negate your ability to trade him next season.

It just ensures you’re not losing him for nothing.

Depending on NTCs.

EDIT: But the wage might be a negotiating point versus NTC. "You want that much money, you have to give in on NTCs or at least give generous MTNCs".

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Too bad Hanifin won't sign with the Coyotes. Would be the best 1st by far.

Why would anyone want to sign long term with an ECHL team?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, the tough decision is a choice between an iffy offer and an overpayment on an extension. You have to choose one or the other IMO in that situation.

That's not a tough choice for me. You take the iffy offer.

The NHL is an efficiency contest. You have X millions of dollars available (The Cap) you need to squeeze in as many wins as you can within X. Every dollar that you overpay on any roster spot is one less dollar that you have to accumulate wins in the remainder.

Now... sometimes it doesn't matter. If the team is a non-contender rebuilding you can have short-term inefficiencies galore because the wins you're losing out on don't matter. But you should avoid longterm inefficiencies because while losing those wins now might not matter it may matter very very much later in the deal.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Why would anyone want to sign long term with an ECHL team?

Coyotes have talent on their roster, I would think the issue is the arena and ownership

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

This is pure speculation, but with Conroy being firm on a 1st back for Tanev as well as likely getting a first for Hanifin, that would leave the Flames with an influx of 1sts over the next few years. I bet Conroy wants to gather that a flip it for a young C.

Who would do that though? The only teams that would value first rounders that much would be a rebuilding team. Why would a rebuilding team trade a promising young C for futures?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Most important question - what’s the term? Please say under four years.

Lol he is getting 8 here or 7 elsewhere be serious

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Parallex

That's not a tough choice for me. You take the iffy offer.

The NHL is an efficiency contest. You have X millions of dollars available (The Cap) you need to squeeze in as many wins as you can within X. Every dollar that you overpay on any roster spot is one less dollar that you have to accumulate wins in the remainder.

Now... sometimes it doesn't matter. If the team is a non-contender rebuilding you can have short-term inefficiencies galore because the wins you're losing out on don't matter. But you should avoid longterm inefficiencies because while losing those wins now might not matter it may matter very very much later in the deal.

Yes, it is an efficiency league - your point is well taken.

But by that same argument, taking an iffy offer is the opposite of efficiency. At some price, moving the asset for a package makes sense (is efficient). But at another (lower) price, it becomes inefficient, and retaining the asset makes more sense.

Hanifin is a really good player, I don't want to see the Flames dump him for a pile of garbage - how is that efficient, or smart?

[PepsiFree]

It wouldn’t surprise me if the way the Gaudreau situation ended up hasn’t impacted Hanifin’s decision-making.

I doubt Gaudreau regrets going East, but we know he didn’t land where he wanted to land. It could be that Hanifin would rather sign in Calgary than risk free agency going sideways, but has a few teams he would be comfortable signing with right now if a trade makes sense.

[jlh2640]

To me, that article is not very promising to the re-sign idea. We will see.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Signing Hanifin also doesn’t negate your ability to trade him next season.

It just ensures you’re not losing him for nothing.

It sure does.

How often do guys with seven years left on a deal get traded? Extremely rare, not to mention he will no doubt have some no move protection.

You can't sign Hanifin with the expectation he can be easily moved in a season.

Unless of course you agree to lesser term.