[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Most important question - what’s the term? Please say under four years.

I can’t think of one reason Hanifin would sign for anything less than maximum term.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

This is about Hanifin. While I applaud Conroy for the Lindholm trade, the process was similar. Contract on the table, contract off the table, contract on the table, contract off the table. Seeing and hearing this stuff does not give one confidence there is a plan in place. It is indicative of flying by the seat of one's pants, which is what the previous manager did to get us in this position in the first place. There should have been a contract put in front of the player with a firm date for having a signature on it. Hearing this stuff about the team giving the player more time to decide, when they've had half a season to decide, is weak. Control the situation. This team has a history of not doing so.

I liked how Conroy handled Toffoli. How he handled Toffoli was how he should have handled all of the UFAs to be. Not part of the plan? You're out of here. Don't want to commit to the team? You're out of here. If Hanifin hasn't put his signature on a contract by now, ship him out. Get it done and quite ##### footing around.

Toffoli and Hanifin need to be handled very differently.

With Toffoli it was the Flames that didn't even want to offer a contract, so it was easier to say let's just get this done (Flames also needed cap room).

With Hanifin and Lindholm the Flames put their best offer on the table and it's up to the player if he wants to accept, I think this whole offer on the table, offer off the table thing is a media fabrication TBH.

And in terms of the player...you're commiting to 8 years in the city with a team that might be re-building and giving up your only real chance at UFA in your entire career.

I have no ill will for players that are willing to wait and see and assess all possible information before making a decision. It's up to Conroy to have a plan to avoid the risk of them walking for nothing, and up until this point I don't think we can really complain about how he's handled it at all.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He has always said he likes it here. What I have been told is to expect a Hanifin extension shortly. I have also heard that while there has been plenty of tire kicking on Tanev there has been not a lot of interest in Hanifin, the market has not been there. The only consistent team that has been poking around on Noah is Arizona. A couple problems with that, first they don't want to part with any of their young players nor their 1st, it would be a package of multiple 2nd round picks. There wouldn't be any extension in place for Hanifin so he might end up a rental. Two, the Coyotes might be one of the 8 teams on his no trade list and with the team being uncertain what their future is, players don't want to commit there. The Flames are looking for a 1st and an A prospect or young player that can be an impact player going forward, preferably a centre but the market just isn't there, teams don't want to pay that for what they believe will be a rental player. After the Sergachev injury I believe Tampa would suddenly show interest but they don't have the assets we would want for Hanifin. Besides liking the player and believing he is a great long term fit that is the other reason Conroy is pushing hard to sign him, the market is very soft for Hanifin and I don't think he wants to have to take a low ball offer at the final minute just to get something. Hanifin likes Calgary and he likes his teammates, that was never an issue.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sec214

You hearing different on hanifin front?

[Enoch Root]

First, there is no indecision here, it's managing a fluid situation.

With respect to dissentowner's recent post, if the market isn't there, if Conroy isn't seeing what he's looking for, then I am 100% fine with an extension. My being for a trade was more about the package, and getting another package like the Lindholm one is a better option for the team right now, then the extension. However, if the return isn't there, don't trade him for a bunch of crap - sign him!

I don't think there is any risk that Hanifin is 'heading for decline'. I think it is a very safe bet that we get at least 5 or 6 solid years out of the 8, and quite possibly all 8. I have no worries there at all. Hanifin is a great player and having him on the roster for 8 more years would be great.

I just would have preferred getting a 1st and a good young C. But again, if that isn't there, then door #1 Monty!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

First, there is no indecision here, it's managing a fluid situation.

With respect to dissentowner's recent post, if the market isn't there, if Conroy isn't seeing what he's looking for, then I am 100% fine with an extension. My being for a trade was more about the package, and getting another package like the Lindholm one is a better option for the team right now, then the extension. However, if the return isn't there, don't trade him for a bunch of crap - sign him!

I don't think there is any risk that Hanifin is 'heading for decline'. I think it is a very safe bet that we get at least 5 or 6 solid years out of the 8, and quite possibly all 8. I have no worries there at all. Hanifin is a great player and having him on the roster for 8 more years would be great.

I just would have preferred getting a 1st and a good young C. But again, if that isn't there, then door #1 Monty!

Yes, the tough decision is a choice between an iffy offer and an overpayment on an extension. You have to choose one or the other IMO in that situation.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Even if Hanifin missed a "deadline", you don't just say "OK, now he's being traded for sure". That just drives the price down. Saying he still might be extended keeps the bidding teams on their toes.

You don't trade him until you have a deal you like. Until then your options are open.

True. You have to proceed this way even if Hanifin is on the fence. Keep negotiating...leak a little to Dreger etc. But other teams know as each day passes with no signing, the chances are slim. Especially at this moment.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Do we know the extension will be an overpayment yet?

People need to realize the fact that Conroy could be ok with either a trade or an extension on a player, espcially Hanifin, is not a lack of direction, it's part of the fluidity of asset management. To simplify this, if Hanifin had no say in the matter, for Conroy, there's likely a trade package value that makes him think trade is the best move for the team. Lacking that availability, there's also a extension number he prefers as the outcome for the team.

On Hanifin, that sliding scale of extension number vs. trade package likely skews heavier to being comfortable with a slight over payment on the contract, vs. collecting a low ball offer via trade. On an older players like Tanev and Lindholm, the scale likely tiltled much heavier to willingness to take less on trade vs. overpaying on extension. In fact I'd wager for both, any sort of overpayment on extension was / is off the table for Conroy on Lindholm & Tanev, but probably not on Hanifin.

[HighLifeMan]

I don't buy for a second that the market is soft for a 27 year old top pairing defensemen who is having the year that Noah is. These players very rarely hit the trade market.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I don't buy for a second that the market is soft for a 27 year old top pairing defensemen who is having the year that Noah is. These players very rarely hit the trade market.

He’s the player that would be the hottest signing come July 1st if he goes UFA. A team that has the space and can afford to give him the contract, assuming he accepts the extension, should absolutely do it. I still think Boston comes around and throws an offset. I think they’d still really want him, even since draft day in 2015 I believe they tried moving up with those 1st picks they accumulated to grab him?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I don't buy for a second that the market is soft for a 27 year old top pairing defensemen who is having the year that Noah is. These players very rarely hit the trade market.

But if Conroy is (rightly) looking for a package that is reflective of how good a player Hanifin is, but buyers are looking at a pure rental, then there is a gap.

I have no doubt there is lots of interest (what team wouldn't want Hanifin?), the issue is the price.

At one price (1st + good young C, for instance), you trade him. At another price (3 2nds and a mediocre prospect), you extend him. As long as the cap hit is reasonable.

[BrennyBaller]

What I have heard:

I believe they are working on a sign and trade. Hanifin has given a list of teams he would sign with. So I bet Conroy is working with that to get the best value. Similar to Tkachuk trade. Arizona offered a package that included their first, but Hanifin won't resign there.

On Tanev, they are firm on wanting a 1st back, and if they don't get their ask, they are comfortable keeping him and re-signing him, especially if Hanifin trade can bring back valuable assets.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Do we know the extension will be an overpayment yet?

People need to realize the fact that Conroy could be ok with either a trade or an extension on a player, espcially Hanifin, is not a lack of direction, it's part of the fluidity of asset management. To simplify this, if Hanifin had no say in the matter, for Conroy, there's likely a trade package value that makes him think trade is the best move for the team. Lacking that availability, there's also a extension number he prefers as the outcome for the team.

On Hanifin, that sliding scale of extension number vs. trade package likely skews heavier to being comfortable with a slight over payment on the contract, vs. collecting a low ball offer via trade. On an older players like Tanev and Lindholm, the scale likely tiltled much heavier to willingness to take less on trade vs. overpaying on extension. In fact I'd wager for both, any sort of overpayment on extension was / is off the table for Conroy on Lindholm & Tanev, but probably not on Hanifin.

The reported offer might be a tad over market value for a guy who's an all around dman like Hanifin. There's always the Calgary penalty to apply though. It certainly won't look like a bargain price/hometown discount.

[MrMike]

Man 3 seconds is a pretty good package for a rental. That is a lot of currency to go out and repackage into young players who don’t fit on their teams.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I don't buy for a second that the market is soft for a 27 year old top pairing defensemen who is having the year that Noah is. These players very rarely hit the trade market.

I'd think the only reason there hasn't been a lot of talk is because the Flames haven't had him on the market, and won't until they get a decision re: the extension.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

What I have heard:

I believe they are working on a sign and trade. Hanifin has given a list of teams he would sign with. So I bet Conroy is working with that to get the best value. Similar to Tkachuk trade. Arizona offered a package that included their first, but Hanifin won't resign there.

On Tanev, they are firm on wanting a 1st back, and if they don't get their ask, they are comfortable keeping him and re-signing him, especially if Hanifin trade can bring back valuable assets.

I’d be fine with this, Tanev for 2 years on the second pairing with Kylington, and then turns into the number 5 and 6 guy for the last two years. What he brings in mentorship and leadership is invaluable

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

What I have heard:

I believe they are working on a sign and trade. Hanifin has given a list of teams he would sign with. So I bet Conroy is working with that to get the best value. Similar to Tkachuk trade. Arizona offered a package that included their first, but Hanifin won't resign there.

On Tanev, they are firm on wanting a 1st back, and if they don't get their ask, they are comfortable keeping him and re-signing him, especially if Hanifin trade can bring back valuable assets.

You've been on the money before.

And I like this. a Hanifin sign and trade would be best case scenario for asset gains

[PepsiFree]

Signing Hanifin also doesn’t negate your ability to trade him next season.

It just ensures you’re not losing him for nothing.

[SuperMatt18]

I think it's all relative too. We don't know what the trade market is.

Is a late 1st round pick and a B prospect a great return for Hanifin...not really...it's an alright return for a guy who is a pure rental. I'd rather try to re-sign him if that's the return.

I also think lots of teams want to spend assets on d-men that they will have longer term (Hampus Lindholm deal being the example), but in order to do that you need to allow teams to negotiate and Hanifin needs to be willing to re-sign in more than a couple places.

I had heard that it was Calgary (maybe), Boston, Florida, and maybe one other market that Hanifin would be willing forego free agency to re-sign with...and it's tough to get full value if the league knows that.

An eastern conference team isn't going to want to spend big assets on Hanifin as a rental only to see him walk to Boston or Florida in the offseason.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Man 3 seconds is a pretty good package for a rental. That is a lot of currency to go out and repackage into young players who don’t fit on their teams.

For a guy the quality of Hanifin, you have to get quality back.