[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I thought he was fired one year into a 3 year extension? Guess not

This article says it was only a two year extension.

https://www.tsn.ca/flames-sign-head-...nsion-1.162327

[activeStick]

I'm fully against trading Hamilton. He is exactly the kind of player every team wants to acquire and it was a steal when Tre was able to acquire him.

Every player has weaknesses and Hamilton is no different. The kid (he's so young still, we can legitimately still refer to him ad one) is still maturing. His decision making defensively will improve and his offensive game will also improve given his age.

The Flames have a soon to be elite defenseman on their roster. They will regret it if they move him.

[dammage79]

Thing is, there something fishy with regards to Hamilton right now. Everyone seems to be dancing around the edges about something. Almost feels like a softening up the crowd thing akin to the Hall trade and Rishaug doing his part the day before that trade.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Thing is, there something fishy with regards to Hamilton right now in my own mind.

Fixed your post.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Fixed your post.

Why do you have to pull this crap just to stir the pot?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Fixed your post.

No. I'm listening to everything and it's definitely not something going on in my own mind.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Thing is, there something fishy with regards to Hamilton right now. Everyone seems to be dancing around the edges about something. Almost feels like a softening up the crowd thing akin to the Hall trade and Rishaug doing his part the day before that trade.

Hopefully it's just nonsense. The guy is 24 years old and already has had 4 straight seasons of 40+ points. What other defensemen has done this when they were that age?

People need to be more patient and hopefully, the Flames are.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

No. I'm listening to everything and it's definitely not something going on in my own mind.

Explain how that assertion that's something is brewing around Hamilton isn't completely arbitrary.

The first I've heard of it is when you just tossed it out there, so I do think there's credence in suggesting it's just you.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Explain how that assertion that's something is brewing around Hamilton isn't completely arbitrary.

The first I've heard of it is when you just tossed it out there, so I do think there's credence in suggesting it's just you.

Oh, well I guess I'll just stop posting now. Two days in a row you're not even conversing about a topic but making presumptions and trying to label things I am saying as something different than intended. Just ignore my posts as I am not going to go any further than this. You're not an authority here. Stop acting like one.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Fixed your post.

When the term “something fishy” is used, it pretty much implies it is the persons opinion.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Oh, well I guess I'll just stop posting now. Two days in a row you're not even conversing about a topic but making presumptions and trying to label things I am saying as something different than intended. Just ignore my posts as I am not going to go any further than this. You're not an authority here. Stop acting like one.

I find it genuinely concerning that a notion is presented our best young defenseman who just lead the league in goals may be imminently getting moved and a hidden agenda is preparing everyone for it.

Just trying to find out how you arrived at that idea as I think it would be deeply concerning.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

When the term “something fishy” is used, it pretty much implies it is the persons opinion.

I read the "there is" as though I might have been missing something that's actually happening. I sure hope not.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't want Dougie traded, but if he is it better be for a return that helps this team and not for a bunch of magic beans.

[GoJetsGo]

Unless there is an underlying issue we're not privvy to, I just can't see it.

He's our future #1 D and has been getting better every year.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The problem with trading any of the top 4 D right now is that you don't really know how well these kids will respond.

Rasmus looked anywhere between really good, and just serviceable in his time up at the end of the season. How will he fare over the course of an entire season? What if he is 'kind of inconsistent' and even shaky at times (which, for a young defencemen breaking into the NHL, is not unheard of at all), and Hamonic goes down? Or Brodie goes down? Suddenly you are playing him in the top 4, and recalling... Ollas-Mattsson? Healy? Well, I would assume Treliving would acquire another 7th D (hopefully not Bartkowski) to act as insurance.

Wotherspoon will probably be moving on. I love Valimaki, but I really don't think he will be ready to step into the NHL right away. Fox is returning for another year of schooling.

I am high on Kylington, and I think he can start getting long looks in the NHL - and I thought he was the best D prospect (including Andersson and Kulak) during the preseason. Who knows how he will do with a full season of NHL games?

It is risky. Lots of risk. At some point, the Flames will have to start moving guys out as prospects progress. The only change this season that I wouldn't mind seeing is moving Stone out and replacing him with Andersson.

Move out any of the top 4, and now you are asking a lot from the guys, and double so when an injury or two happen and they no longer get to be sheltered.

I really would prefer that a new coach comes in and actually plays this defensive group like the racehorses that they are, rather than hitching them up to a yoke and plowing some barren scrub land.

I think this team is a new coach, a line juggle, and maybe a 3rd line RW'er (might even be Foo) away from being a team that can make some noise.

I liken this situation to the one that the Flames found themselves in during the off-season where Keenan was fired and Brent Sutter hired.

They were a pretty good offensive team that allowed too many goals against. So Darryl hired a more defensive oriented coach, and his personnel moves took away from the offence and added to the defence. That is what precipitated the move to trade Phaneuf mid-season to try and re-balance a team that swung way too far the other way.

I think a new coach with a new system that fits this team better should be the 'big move' this off-season. I think that the Flames shouldn't do both. Tinker with the lineup - find a way to increase skill and speed somehow, but the strength of this team is the backend.

We have seen a much less talented Flames team be a good offensive team without being worse (IMO) defensively than they were this past season. I am worried that the pendulum swings too far one way.

[Zulu29]

I’m gonna be pissed if Hamilton is traded instead of Brodie. Brodie has got to go imho.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Hopefully it's just nonsense. The guy is 24 years old and already has had 4 straight seasons of 40+ points. What other defensemen has done this when they were that age?

People need to be more patient and hopefully, the Flames are.

Patience may not change what type of person and player Hamilton is. That he doesn’t bust his ass to loose pucks, sacrifice his body, play physical like a Giordano does is obvious to many of us. Sure, his offensive abilities are high rate. But he doesn’t seem to have that burning desire to win in terms of how hard he competes in his own zone or on the back check. Not sure there’s any reason to believe it will ever change. I’m not sure he has a burning desire to be one of the best overall defensemen in the league even though he has the skill and physical tools to be one of the best. Based on the way he competes in his own zone it seems like he’s content being what he is, a puck mover and offensive contributor who has defensive lapses and a lot of the time does not give it his all to “defend”. I think compete level is something that players don’t really learn or improve at. They either have it or they don’t. Tkachuk has it. Some guys don’t have it as much.

I understand some people are fine with what Dougie is. I’m not sure it’s a huge problem for the Flames. I certainly don’t think he has to be moved.

However he may be moved because
1. His trade value is massive for the reasons you like him
2. His compete level compared to his talent is lacking at times
3. We have the greatest depth on defense out of all our positions

As Loubardias says, Treliving has to decide who on the team are guys that you can and will win with. Guys who you’ll go to war with. It’s not obvious Hamilton has to go. Maybe he is part of the solution. Personally I’m starting to wonder if maybe you entertain the idea of moving him for the reasons I stated above. I find his comittment to being the best in his own zone and being the hardest to play against in his own zone lacking a bit too much for my liking at times. As I’ve said in other threads I’d probably trade Brodie ahead of trading Hamilton if trading Brodie gets you what we need. I think you can live with having a bit of a one-dimensional offensive dman. But that said Hamilton may just fetch offers that dwarf what Brodie can get and all things considered he may be the piece they decide to move.

Loubardias today on the radio admitted that we see Hamilton struggle with compete, defensive lapses and that he isn’t a physical guy. My perhaps poor paraphrasing

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/hockey-...show-with-lou/
(45 mins in)

Guess we’ll see in time which piece Treliving moves

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

I’m gonna be pissed if Hamilton is traded instead of Brodie. Brodie has got to go imho.

I’m fully against trading Hamilton, but you aren’t going to get anything for TJ Brodie at this point. The Flames need two top 6 forwards to compete and to
Get that, someone like Hamilton is going to have to be moved because we don’t have the assets to acquire this otherwise and there’s no help coming from the AHL at the forward position. I also highly doubt FAs will be lining to sign in a small Canadian market with the oldest rink in the league and questions surrounding the staying in Calgary long term.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

I’m gonna be pissed if Hamilton is traded instead of Brodie. Brodie has got to go imho.

Gulutzan has to go.

Look at all the players that have underachieved under this coach, especially this year.

Bennett, Brodie, Brouwer - all have had 2 years below expectations
Heck, Gio was a 55-60 point (pace) guy before, that 2 years running is now 38-39 points.

Backlund and Frolik had a tough year this year

You just can’t expect to win with a coach who is getting 70 percent of the value out of a large number of his key assets individually.

I’m ready, Brad.

Drop the Gullytine

[Red]

Warrener brought up the Freddie H issue as the first bad thing in the Flames post mortem. He thought that it was bad for team morale especially how it cost Janko a spot.
Was Dougie pushing for it or was it a team choice in the first place to have a guy earn an NHL paycheck but not contributing ?

Is that "fishy"?

I think it's fair to question Hamilton's attitude. Maybe it's nothing, but there is some smoke for sure.