[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Lou admitted he may be too close to the people he covers to give an unbiased opinion. Only guy in his full hour he actually was openly critical of was Dougie.

Hamilton is not the favorite flame of the media.

Interesting. Can you please elaborate on what he said about Hamilton?

Hamilton gets a lot of love on CP. I'm a fan, but I think a lot of the warts in his game are covered by playing with a true #1 dman in Giordano

[Mattman]

^^Why does the media harp on Dougie so much?

Honestly, with how involved he is in the community and children at the Ronald McDonald house I don't know why they can't cut him some slack if he doesn't want to be interviewed all the time.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Mattman

^^Why does the media harp on Dougie so much?

Honestly, with how involved he is in the community and children at the Ronald McDonald house I don't know why they can't cut him some slack if he doesn't want to be interviewed all the time.

Part of their job is to be available to the media. They get paid millions to play a game. As a pro you should stand up and be accountable at the end of the season. Talking to the media is not a completely optional part of their job. They are obligated to do it at times. Is it not part of the CBA?

A goalie not wanting to talk on game day I understand. A guy completely avoiding the end of season interviews just seems weak. I think its perfectly fair for anybody to criticize Hamilton for it. The rest of his team did it, why is he the only guy who gets to skip out on answering questions by the media (and by extension the fans)?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Interesting. Can you please elaborate on what he said about Hamilton?

Hamilton gets a lot of love on CP. I'm a fan, but I think a lot of the warts in his game are covered by playing with a true #1 dman in Giordano

Caller called in and went to task on Dougie's defensive play and I guess his heart or emotional investment saying he just floats near scrums or lazily skates back on turn overs he created and Lou never went off in agreement but in Lou fashion the fact he agreed with the caller and didn't defend him what so ever speaks volumes. Lou also alluded to the fact that the caller was not alone in feeling that way about Dougie inedia circles. He really didn't defend Dougie at all. Only Flame he really didn't defend.

I agree, if the MO for the Flames is lack of emotional investment you can look at Hamilton as a low hanging fruit on the subject.

Yeah he has elite offensive talent as has been proven but I agree with the caller that you can turn that into similar forward offensive upgrades and allow an Andersson or Fox bloom in the NHL.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah he has elite offensive talent as has been proven but I agree with the caller that you can turn that into similar forward offensive upgrades and allow an Andersson or Fox bloom in the NHL.

I just don't know how they get that type of player back in return on a deal.

Although...I do feel like a Hamilton for Seguin deal would make that whole Leafs/Bruins trade go full circle.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I just don't know how they get that type of player back in return on a deal.

Although...I do feel like a Hamilton for Seguin deal would make that whole Leafs/Bruins trade go full circle.

Hamilton's value is literally astronomical in the NHL IMO. He's a 6'6, 230 lb puck rusher who tied for the defensemen lead in goals. Is he the perfect player? No, he could be more physical, he could be better defensively. But with his size, his skating, his ability and his age his value is sky high. Not to mention he's a right shot which some teams have problems finding.

GM's would be tripping over themselves to make offers on Hamilton IMO. Chiarelli would've happily traded Hall for Hamilton. That's the type of player you can expect in return and maybe more. Wouldn't surprise me if you could get a 1st line winger + 1st round pick/top prospect. I still consider the deal to get him to be an absolutely fleecing by Treliving.

Outside of franchise #1 centremen, top pairing dmen are the next most valuable commodity in the NHL. Hamilton's puck rushing ability, shooting ability, size and age all combine to make him a premium asset in the NHL. I think if Treliving chooses to listen to offers on him then there will be some offers that may be hard to turn down.

[VilleN]

The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling that Dougie Hamilton will be the piece that gets traded. I like the player, I think he could very well end up being an elite Dman in the league, but I don't think it's a good look for him to skip out on the interviews. Especially with all the character issues that have been talked about in the media.

You could get a monumental return for Dougie. A top RW for sure, potentially a top 1/2C... and decent picks/prospects thrown into either of those deals. Would Dallas entertain trading Seguin? Nylander + in Toronto, or Marner +? Mark Stone + if Karlsson is traded?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Outside of franchise #1 centremen, top pairing dmen are the next most valuable commodity in the NHL. Hamilton's puck rushing ability, shooting ability, size and age all combine to make him a premium asset in the NHL. I think if Treliving chooses to listen to offers on him then there will be some offers that may be hard to turn down.

If Treliving does decide to move a key piece, I think it's paramount that he doesn't have an "at all costs" attitude towards the thing.

He can make a Hamilton available but take a page from Sakic (man I never thought I'd say that) and wait it out. You don't need to make a move if you don't get the key pieces you are looking for.

He's signed.

There's no gun to anyone's head.

Just methodically go about it.

[dammage79]

Gully's scheduled interview on the Fan960 today has been postponed until tomorrow. Could be nothing, could be something.

[spotthefan]

Call me crazy, but I wonder about a move to the wing solving problems in house for Hamilton. Less defensive responsibility, focus on offensive talents.

Meets the needs of the Flames, maybe alleviates his responsibilities. Not sure he'd be willing, not sure it is realistic.

Originally Posted by Bingo

If Treliving does decide to move a key piece, I think it's paramount that he doesn't have an "at all costs" attitude towards the thing.

He can make a Hamilton available but take a page from Sakic (man I never thought I'd say that) and wait it out. You don't need to make a move if you don't get the key pieces you are looking for.

He's signed.

There's no gun to anyone's head.

Just methodically go about it.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If Treliving does decide to move a key piece, I think it's paramount that he doesn't have an "at all costs" attitude towards the thing.

He can make a Hamilton available but take a page from Sakic (man I never thought I'd say that) and wait it out. You don't need to make a move if you don't get the key pieces you are looking for.

He's signed.

There's no gun to anyone's head.

Just methodically go about it.

Agreed.

In the EDM situation, everybody knew EDM had to deal a forward for a dman and therefore other GMs were able to leverage Chiarelli and lowball him. Treliving doesn't have to trade anybody. He can listen to offers on Hamilton and Brodie and decide if any of them make sense. We certainly aren't forced to deal a dman for a forward but if you look at it, it makes a lot of sense given our organizational depth at every position. Treliving is a dealing from a position of strength. We aren't desperate to trade anybody. We have high value assets at every position. Treliving is free to decide what asset is the best asset to be used to improve the team and that will in part depends on what offers he gets. I'm not sure he even goes as far as to actively shop a guy like Hamilton or Brodie. He can sit back and wait for someone who is desperate for a defenseman to make him an offer he can't turn down. Just because of timing its likely it could happen leading up to the draft or at the draft.

I think the Flames are in a great position to continue to upgrade the roster. Dealing Hamilton would hurt a bit offensively in the short term but long term I think we have the pieces to replace him. Dealing Brodie is even easier to replace as I think Kulak might be able to immediately replace him without any loss in ability and you might have a guy like Valimaki or Andersson replace Kulak on the bottom pairing. Hamilton does stick out as the guy we could sell high on IMO. I think his value really is huge at this point and I do think he does show a lack of commitment to be the best he can be in his own zone. I don't think he's a "problem" player or that he needs to be dealt. It's certainly okay to have a defensemen on your roster who is a bit one-dimensional offensively. But I think given his strengths, weaknesses and value that he may make the most sense to use as an asset this summer. But if Brodie can get you the forward we need, I'd trade Brodie over Hamilton for sure as I think Brodie is even more replaceable on our team.

Should be interesting to see where Treliving goes. I know some people don't love his track record on trades but I think he's got a very good track record in trades so far so I have a lot of faith in his ability to improve the club via trade.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by spotthefan

Call me crazy, but I wonder about a move to the wing solving problems in house for Hamilton. Less defensive responsibility, focus on offensive talents.

Meets the needs of the Flames, maybe alleviates his responsibilities. Not sure he'd be willing, not sure it is realistic.

That would be fun(ny) to see, if only for a game.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by spotthefan

Call me crazy, but I wonder about a move to the wing solving problems in house for Hamilton. Less defensive responsibility, focus on offensive talents.

Meets the needs of the Flames, maybe alleviates his responsibilities. Not sure he'd be willing, not sure it is realistic.

As insane as it sounds this may not be a terrible thing haha.

Flames shot attempts would likely hit record levels!

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Gully's scheduled interview on the Fan960 today has been postponed until tomorrow. Could be nothing, could be something.

Probably got a last minute call from management telling him to hold off until they can announce his contract extension first.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If Treliving does decide to move a key piece, I think it's paramount that he doesn't have an "at all costs" attitude towards the thing.

He can make a Hamilton available but take a page from Sakic (man I never thought I'd say that) and wait it out. You don't need to make a move if you don't get the key pieces you are looking for.

He's signed.

There's no gun to anyone's head.

Just methodically go about it.

Basically the opposite to how Feaster handled Bouwmeester.
He was under no pressure to move Bouw at the deadline as he was signed and playing well. Instead he decided he was going to do it at all costs, and ended up getting a very poor return. Let's not do that again.

[djsFlames]

Thought there might be a half decent chance of a firing today. A little concerned that BT is buying more into the narrative of character issues in the players than the idea that the coaches in fact worse than the vast majority running NHL teams.

Maybe tomorrow...maybe tomorrow...

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Thought there might be a half decent chance of a firing today. A little concerned that BT is buying more into the narrative of character issues in the players than the idea that the coaches in fact worse than the vast majority running NHL teams.

Maybe tomorrow...maybe tomorrow...

Or maybe Treliving is in the hot seat himself.

[kyuss275]

I wonder if ownership will only want to pay GG not to coach for them if they get "the coach" they want. Maybe between brad and ownership there is only a list of 3 coaches that to them are worth bringing in for long term. There is no point firing GG if you end up having to hire a coach that you don't see as a true fit long term. Ownership probably isn't happy still paying Hartley. Just spit balling.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Ownership probably isn't happy still paying Hartley. Just spit balling.

They aren't. He only had a year left when they fired him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Inferno

They aren't. He only had a year left when they fired him.

I thought he was fired one year into a 3 year extension? Guess not