[Trade] Sens trade Lazar and Kostka to the Flames for a 2nd + Jokipakka

[frodo_t_baggins]

Why does everyone believe Brouwer turns it on in the playoffs? Prior to last season he had all of 7 goals in 78 playoffs games...

[NinePack]

Originally Posted by Fire

Lazar is scoring a goal in his first game as a Flame. Book it.

I booked it.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

OK fine. I like that too.

I think this team will be in good shape next year if we can sign Kulikov, and re-sign Stone, Versteeg, Lazar, Ferland, Elliott, Johnson, Hathaway, and Kulak (+ good AHL guys).

Say goodbye to Engelland, Wideman, Chiasson, Bollig, and Smid.

Personally I think they try re-sign Engelland over Kulikov. I don't know how realistic both Stone and Kulikov would be.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by frodo_t_baggins

Why does everyone believe Brouwer turns it on in the playoffs? Prior to last season he had all of 7 goals in 78 playoffs games...

It's not the amount of goals. It's the timing of them. And the quality of play.

[getbak]

The Kevin for Thor side of this trade basically cancels itself out. The Flames traded an NHL capable defenceman who would have likely spent the rest of the year in the AHL for an AHL defenceman who will spend the rest of the year in the AHL. That side of the trade gives Jokipakka a chance to stay in the NHL for the rest of the season without really changing anything from the Flames' perspective.



The Lazar for a second side of the deal is very similar to the Baertschi trade. Lazar isn't as highly-rated a prospect, but this draft year is supposedly much weaker than 2015.


Here are their stats prior to being traded:

Baertschi: Drafted 13th overall in 2011. Played one full season in the WHL after being drafted and went full-time pro the following year (was AHL eligible).

• WHL Totals: 113 GP : 67G / 112A / 179P (1.58 P/G) ||| Playoffs: 43 GP : 24G / 37A / 61P (1.42 P/G)
  
• AHL Totals: 109 GP : 31G / 49A / 80P (0.73 P/G) ||| Playoffs: 4 GP : 0G / 1A / 1P (0.25 P/G)
  
• NHL Totals: 66 GP : 8G / 20A / 28P (0.42 P/G)

Lazar: Drafted 17th overall in 2013. Played one full season in the WHL after being drafted and went full-time pro the following year (was not AHL eligible).

• WHL Totals: 199 GP : 99G / 70A / 169P (0.85 P/G) ||| Playoffs: 67 GP : 28G / 25A / 53P (0.79 P/G)
  
• AHL Totals: 13 GP : 3G / 1A / 4P (0.31 P/G)
  
• NHL Totals: 176 GP : 12G / 24A / 36P (0.20 P/G) ||| Playoffs: 6 GP : 0G / 0A / 0P (0.00 P/G)

Both players asked to be traded in the final year of their ELCs. Each has had some health setbacks (Sven with concussions, Lazar with mono).

Sven had better stats, but Lazar has better intangibles. Captain of a Memorial Cup champion and Captain of Team Canada at the World Juniors (Gold medalists). He also had 19 points in 20 playoff games in his 16 year-old season, so he can step up for the important games.


If you buy Burke's argument that a second in this year's draft is more like a third in most years, this seems like a good value deal. If Lazar can reach the potential he was drafted for, it will be a huge win.

[Samonadreau]

I like the trade. I would still wait a few games (or until we lose) to slot him in. Let him learn the system and watch a few games and get hungrier. Especially if we keep winning let the kid get a feel for everything first. But I do like it.

I wonder how much Cameron had input on this too. You would have to think he wanted to go after Lazar.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's not the amount of goals. It's the timing of them. And the quality of play.

I thought he was a playoff disappointment on some very good Capitals teams, wasn't he?

[Captaincanada80]

Excuse me if it has been stated already but sifting though 600+ posts I may have repeated someone else's words. I think it's obvious that lazar will get the chance to start out playing with Bennett. In the event those 2 can find chemistry and feed off each other it's almost like getting 2 for the price of one. I believe I saw a graphic on last nights broadcast that said Bennett has scored twice in his last 25 games. What a boost it would be to have 3 solid scoring lines

[tvp2003]

The value is on buying low for what potential Lazar currently has left. If all he turns out to be is a low offence bottom sixer with character, a second might be a bit of an overpayment but nothing to necessarily lose sleep over (especially if the second is more like a third).

Unfortunately, acquiring Lazar is also another reminder that our other 2013 first rounders are either busting (Poirier), taking extra long to develop (Klimchuk), or not yet knocking on the NHL door (Shinkaruk).

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by frodo_t_baggins

Why does everyone believe Brouwer turns it on in the playoffs? Prior to last season he had all of 7 goals in 78 playoffs games...

8 goals (some very timely ones too IIRC) and 5A in 20 playoff games is pretty solid for last season. I have faith he'll show up in the postseason. I mean look at Bollig during the 2014-15 run.

Him and Moose made it to the Western Final. They will be leaned on when the going gets tough.

If not, well, Troy sure can't blame us for exposing him to Vegas.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

This is a lot like the Baertschi trade, a second round pick for an underperforming former top prospect who had been passed on the depth chart by others after a couple disappointing seasons. This should work out well for the Flames as the odds of a second round pick turning into anything significant isn't great. Lazar should help the Flames going forth and was a good trade.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

This is a lot like the Baertschi trade, a second round pick for an underperforming former top prospect who had been passed on the depth chart by others after a couple disappointing seasons. This should work out well for the Flames as the odds of a second round pick turning into anything significant isn't great. Lazar should help the Flames going forth and was a good trade.

Baertschi showed a lot more than Lazar

[868904]

I'm surprised by some of the hate that this deal is getting. People need to understand that a team isn't comprised entirely of scorers and skill guys. You need elite role players too. Elite forecheckers, elite penalty killers, elite defensive defensemen. Lazar won't ever be a scorer, but if he reaches his ceiling, he will be a very significant contributor to a championship type team.

I see his floor as a Shean Donovan/Marcus Nilsson/Jannik Hansen type but his ceiling as a Dustin Brown/Alex Burrows/Brendan Gallagher type. The low end is a significant contributor, and the high end is an impact role player.

A future line of Tkachuk/Bennett/Lazar could be a real nightmare for opposition defences.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Baertschi showed a lot more than Lazar

If being a soft winger is showing more, you're right.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by 868904

I'm surprised by some of the hate that this deal is getting. People need to understand that a team isn't comprised entirely of scorers and skill guys. You need elite role players too. Elite forecheckers, elite penalty killers, elite defensive defensemen.

... Lazar is none of those things.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Aw man, we're gonna lose in the Stanley Cup finals?!

....*edit aw man, someone else already caught this?

it going to be hard to get used to the 31 picks a round (plus the occasional compensatory pick in the 2nd)

[memphusk]

Lazar is Calgary's next Glencross story. Team feels he/his agent isn't what he projects to be. Player wants more and willing to work. I am neutral on the trade, but this kid could be the transmission Calgary is looking for on the right side. Drafts are a crap shoot and this draft is projecting crap. They shot.

[SuperMatt18]

The one thing I find interesting is that Lazar hasn't really had good linemates these last two seasons.

This year he's played most of his minutes with Neil and Kelly.

Last year it was Neil and Chiasson.

That would be like throwing Bennett out there with Bollig and Chiasson and expecting him to succeed.

When he had his promising rookie season he played with Condra and Pageau. Who aren't great but are at least better NHLers than Neal and Kelly.

He has size and speed, and seems to have the right mind set and work ethic to work on his deficiencies. Could easily become a piece of a good third line for us IMO.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The one thing I find interesting is that Lazar hasn't really had good linemates these last two seasons.

This year he's played most of his minutes with Neil and Kelly.

Last year it was Neil and Chiasson.

That would be like throwing Bennett out there with Bollig and Chiasson and expecting him to succeed.

When he had his promising rookie season he played with Condra and Pageau. Who aren't great but are at least better NHLers than Neal and Kelly.

He has size and speed, and seems to have the right mind set and work ethic to work on his deficiencies. Could easily become a piece of a good third line for us IMO.

Well we are throwing Bennett out there with Versteeg and Brouwer and expecting him to succeed so not much better.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Well we are throwing Bennett out there with Versteeg and Brouwer and expecting him to succeed so not much better.

Not throwing. Making him Center that line.