2012 NFL Offseason Thread

[Bobblehead]

The Broncos offence last season was eerily similar to when the Dolphins came out with the Wildcat in 2008. By 2009 every team in the league had a version of it and every defence now knew how to stop it.

Relish the memory of the run Tebow took you on, getting Manning is going to serve you much better from this point on.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Ha! You really stepped into that one! The reality is Tebow won big games

In the end its about winning right? Brady had better stats than Eli but who won?

I love when guys chirp about Tebows stats but in the end, when all that mattered was winning, Tebow beat big Ben and all his stats.

Look at reality right?

Mark Sanchez has won even bigger games. Mark Sanchez is not a good quarterback. To try and use that as a way to evaluate quarterbacks as being better then one another is like using batting average in baseball. Your defense holds teams to an average of 9-10 points a game, it has something to do with you winning.

And to be fair Tim Tebow won one big game and he did against a Steelers team that was incredibly injury riddled. Down the stretch of the season Tebow was awful.

[Wood]

I'm excited to see what free agents sign in Denver now

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by Pacem

I think you are confusing Tebow with the Broncos D. The Broncos D enabled them to put together that winning streak. They were on top of their game for that streak.

Brady lit up that Broncos D. Where was this miracle "D" for Orton? Why did this awesome D have a losing record until Tebow came?

[Cheese]

Patriots sign two more...
The Patriots have agreed to terms with WR Donte’ Stallworth on a one-year contract, according to a league source.
The team also agreed to terms with G Robert Gallery, according to a league source.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/19/patr...worth-gallery/


hmmmmmm...Donte' again? why not. Like the Gallery signing. Depth moves.

[flames_1987]

It's like just like arguing wins and losses with baseball pitchers. A picture is not judged by his winning/losing record but by his statistics. AdvancedNFLstats.com show us that Tebow was one of the worst in the entire NFL and misspell all these myths that Tebow's struggles for passing with accuracy were somehow receiver related.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Ha! You really stepped into that one! The reality is Tebow won big games

In the end its about winning right? Brady had better stats than Eli but who won?

I love when guys chirp about Tebows stats but in the end, when all that mattered was winning, Tebow beat big Ben and all his stats.

Look at reality right?

Wtf are you even talking about? I'm not sure if you read my post, but PIM and I were discussing his completion percentage. Your post has absolutely nothing to do with that.

BTW, how about looking at the reality of the Broncos winning games due to their defense developing into one of the best in the league.

[Pacem]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Brady lit up that Broncos D. Where was this miracle "D" for Orton? Why did this awesome D have a losing record until Tebow came?

Proving my point?

Not saying Denver had or has a great D, just saying that when the D played well, they would win. If the D played poor they would lose. Didn't matter who was the QB. Pretty simple actually.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Brady lit up that Broncos D. Where was this miracle "D" for Orton? Why did this awesome D have a losing record until Tebow came?

So please tell me your argument here...are you saying the Denver D played better because of something Tim Tebow did? Are you trying to argue how well they played in those games the Broncos won last season?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Exactly.

Also he needs a team that caters to his style of play...not Elway's. Looking back on the games Tebow played for Denver you can tell for the first 3/4 he played Fox/Elway style and his numbers were poor. It wasn't until the last 10min of the game where Denver was behind where it looked like Tebow would start to call his own shots or Fox/Elway would finally let Tebow do what he does...hence the "miracle" come backs.

If Tebow ends up on a team that forms around him rather than him forming around the team it could be an amazing thing.

For me this trade is great because of the huge pressure Elway has put on himself and the organization, and that Tebow may finally get his fair shot - far away from the Bronco train wreck

Denver totally catered their whole offense/team around Tebow. He will never be in a better situation with a team that was willing to run a college offense, a defense that could with stand having the short fields after Tebow failed to move the ball and score points when Tebow couldn't and a kicker who could make 50+ yard FG's because Tebow could only get on first down.

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Ha! You really stepped into that one! The reality is Tebow won big games

Big games plural? When he faced good teams like Detroit and NE in the regular season he was awful. When the team needed a win to get in the play-offs he went 0-2 and they had to get in through the back door.

He won one big game against Pittsburgh in which he had about 0 yards in the second half and lucked out that Roethisberger was playing on half a leg and was basically a statue.

Finally, again against a good team in a big game he was once again pathetic against the Pats in the play-offs.

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Brady lit up that Broncos D. Where was this miracle "D" for Orton? Why did this awesome D have a losing record until Tebow came?

Because they played better opponents in those games. Did you think that the Packers would have lost to Denver if Tebow had played?

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

If the draft goes according to plan:

1) Luck
2)RGIII
3)Kalil

What do you do if you are the Browns picking @ 4? They need playmakers on offense and a better o-line. Do you take Trent Richardson no RB's this high rule be damned?

I think they will go with Blackmon.

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

It's like just like arguing wins and losses with baseball pitchers. A picture is not judged by his winning/losing record but by his statistics. AdvancedNFLstats.com show us that Tebow was one of the worst in the entire NFL and misspell all these myths that Tebow's struggles for passing with accuracy were somehow receiver related.

Anyone who puts Tebow and Sanchez and Baseball and Football in the same sentence deserves some sort of award for "best" post of the year.

So please tell us, how can Kipper be compared to Danica Patrick?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

What enormous field goals? From a long distance? Did you watch the same games i did? Im confused???

Are you seriously questioning whether or not Prater hit big field goals that won the game for his team?

In Chicago alone he kicked a 59 yard FG after Teblow barely moved the ball to tie it and then a 51 yarder in OT to win.

I would say those are considered pretty enormous FGs.

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by Pacem

Not saying Denver had or has a great D, just saying that when the D played well, they would win. If the D played poor they would lose. Didn't matter who was the QB. Pretty simple actually.

Hmmm, could this not be said about every team ???

How do you win when your D plays poor in any sport? Dumb argument bub

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Anyone who puts Tebow and Sanchez and Baseball and Football in the same sentence deserves some sort of award for "best" post of the year.

So please tell us, how can Kipper be compared to Danica Patrick?

Mark Sanchez has weak passing stats, shows a terrible lack of talent but won bigger playoff games then Tim Tebow. Nobody blindly supports Sanchez as Tebow fans to Tebow.

The baseball comparison is easily valid. A starting pitcher can have a better W-L record with the amount of offensive support he gets. No different then Tebow getting greater support from his defense.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Anyone who puts Tebow and Sanchez and Baseball and Football in the same sentence deserves some sort of award for "best" post of the year.

So please tell us, how can Kipper be compared to Danica Patrick?

You can't be serious. You seriously can't comprehend that analogy?

And you're right, Tebow and Sanchez shouldn't be in the same sentence. Sanchez at least showed a glimpse of being a competent NFL QB at one point in his career.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by moon

Are you seriously questioning whether or not Prater hit big field goals that won the game for his team?

In Chicago alone he kicked a 59 yard FG after Teblow barely moved the ball to tie it and then a 51 yarder in OT to win.

I would say those are considered pretty enormous FGs.

He also won it against the Vikings. Prater was huge all year

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Hmmm, could this not be said about every team ???

How do you win when your D plays poor in any sport? Dumb argument bub

Not at all, to win most of the games last season Tebow relied directly on the performance of his defense, more so then any other quarterback in the league. Tom Brady led the Patriots to a Superbowl apperance and his defense was 32nd ranked

[Clever_Iggy]

Best news: Tebowmania can go to Jacksonville and hopefully die like Linsanity.

Good news (hopefully): the 49ers get screwed and Alex Smith takes his talents to South Beach.

Bad news: Peyton is a Bronco.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

How do you win when your D plays poor in any sport? Dumb argument bub

How do you win? You score more points than your defense puts up.

The Patriots won a lot of games when their defense played poor. Detroit had a crap defense and ended up with a winning record and play-off spot. GB won a game where their defense gave up 500+yards passing.

The difference is those teams have competent QB's, Denver did not with Tebow.