2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I was actually thinking about 2 trade and I would appreciate your take on them:
1. Coleman is the better player than Garland IMO, but he's signed for a year longer and he's himself 4 years older. Garland also usually puts up more points, and I believe he's a right shot RW.
To CGY : Garland
To VAN: Coleman

2. If Backlund doesn't want to be here, Gourde is a similar player signed for 2 more years. Dube is the better player than Tolvanen IMO, but they have a similar trajectory and potential.
To CGY: Gourde + Tolvanen
To SEA: Backlund + Dube

Okay let me have it, who says no?

I don't think Vancouver wants anything to do with that, they're trying to get rid of Garland but not to acquire another winger. Already overloaded with wingers and like everyone else want to clear space not add years of additional cap

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If the valuation was that easy, the deal would be done.

I think the opposite is true actually - if Krebs was a good enough return, the deal would be done. Buffalo hasn't stepped up to the plate and offered enough yet.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the opposite is true actually - if Krebs was a good enough return, the deal would be done. Buffalo hasn't stepped up to the plate and offered enough yet.

I don't think Buffalo makes sense as a destination. I think it was Lou who said that they will have to pay Power, and Dahlin in the $9M+ range soon. That's why it's unlikely they will lock up a Hanifin at $6M+ Besides Buffalo has the #2LD locked up with Samuelsson until 2030.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If the valuation was that easy, the deal would be done.

Not necessarily. There are many things that could be holding a deal up. Lots of deals where the return is somewhat predictable take a very long time to make.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I’d want a 1st + swap out Krebs for Ostlund or Rosen or even a Jack Quinn.
Olofsson could stay for cap reasons.

If they don’t want to give up the 1st then I’d take Benson + Olofsson as the 2 for 1.

If Benson was on the table the deal would have been done at the draft. Hanifin probably doesn't return a top propsect in a fluid offseason. Almost see zero chance of it in the context of this offseason. The gamble is if he gets significantly better than Krebs + a roster player at the deadline. I'd take Krebs over a late first and b prospect.

[Sandman]

I ain’t sold on Krebs. There are definitely other assets I would rather have from Buffalo.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Benson was on the table the deal would have been done at the draft. Hanifin probably doesn't return a top propsect in a fluid offseason. Almost see zero chance of it in the context of this offseason. The gamble is if he gets significantly better than Krebs + a roster player at the deadline. I'd take Krebs over a late first and b prospect.

I don't disagree, but if all they're offering is Krebs (who they have rumored to want to move for a while now) and Olofsson then you wait and get a better return @ the deadline.

Like I said, we have Pelletier who's progressed at a higher pace and better rate and has established himself better in his pro career thus far. Why do we need a prospect whos only declined his his draft pedigree in Krebs?

I'm not sure Krebs would crack our top 5 prospects at this point, with Pelletier, Zary, Coronato, Wolf and Honzek all easily above him.

Krebs doesnt move the needle at all for Calgary at this point, unless hes attached to a 1st + real prospect or young roster player with upside. It would be like Calgary moving Pelletier and Coleman for Power or Dahlin... Buffalo would be stupid to do it, so why should Calgary bite?

[Moneyhands23]

Krebs at this point is = to a 2nd round pick at best. The fact that this is the 2nd team that is OK moving him is not a good thing.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I don't disagree, but if all they're offering is Krebs (who they have rumored to want to move for a while now) and Olofsson then you wait and get a better return @ the deadline.

Like I said, we have Pelletier who's progressed at a higher pace and better rate and has established himself better in his pro career thus far. Why do we need a prospect whos only declined his his draft pedigree in Krebs?

I'm not sure Krebs would crack our top 5 prospects at this point, with Pelletier, Zary, Coronato, Wolf and Honzek all easily above him.

Krebs doesnt move the needle at all for Calgary at this point, unless hes attached to a 1st + real prospect or young roster player with upside. It would be like Calgary moving Pelletier and Coleman for Power or Dahlin... Buffalo would be stupid to do it, so why should Calgary bite?

Peyton Krebs has played 122 NHL games in the last two seasons. He has scored 16 goals and 32 assists for 48 points over that stretch and is only 22 years old. That's a .39PPG. For comparison, Elias Lindholm at that stage of his career (22 years old) had a .49 PPG spread across 4 seasons and 293 games.

Connor Zary is 4 months younger (than Krebs) and hasn't played an NHL game. I'm all for saying Krebs isn't the bee's knees (although I see upside), but placing him behind Zary is misguided.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Peyton Krebs has played 122 NHL games in the last two seasons. He has scored 16 goals and 32 assists for 48 points over that stretch and is only 22 years old. That's a .39PPG. For comparison, Elias Lindholm at that stage of his career (22 years old) had a .49 PPG spread across 4 seasons and 293 games.

Connor Zary is 4 months younger (than Krebs) and hasn't played an NHL game. I'm all for saying Krebs isn't the bee's knees (although I see upside), but placing him behind Zary is misguided.

Right, he doesn't crack Calgary's top 5 prospects because he's not a prospect, he's an NHL player.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Right, he doesn't crack Calgary's top 5 prospects because he's not a prospect, he's an NHL player.

This is also a valid position to take.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Right, he doesn't crack Calgary's top 5 prospects because he's not a prospect, he's an NHL player.

And not a very good one either, especially being the key piece in a deal for a player who's best is yet to come.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Peyton Krebs has played 122 NHL games in the last two seasons. He has scored 16 goals and 32 assists for 48 points over that stretch and is only 22 years old. That's a .39PPG. For comparison, Elias Lindholm at that stage of his career (22 years old) had a .49 PPG spread across 4 seasons and 293 games.

Connor Zary is 4 months younger (than Krebs) and hasn't played an NHL game. I'm all for saying Krebs isn't the bee's knees (although I see upside), but placing him behind Zary is misguided.

For relevancy sake, Krebs has had a sniff in the NHL because Buffalo has been a dumpster fire for the last few years, he was rushed into the NHL.
With that said they had a hot stretch last year and appear to be turning it around.

You're right, Zary hasn't played an NHL game yet but that's only because the Flames had a lot more depth over the last 2 seasons.

Zary has looked far better than Krebs at this point, .80PPG in his 1st full pro season cant be overlooked. These are all opinions of course so we can agree to disagree, the point here is Krebs (even if you say he may be better than Zary) would then fall to 4th on our depth chart.

That alone supports why a Krebs + Olofsson is NOT enough for a Hannifin deal as Krebs cannot be a primary piece at this point in his career.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

And not a very good one either, especially being the key piece in a deal for a player who's best is yet to come.

...so Krebs is not a very good NHL player, but Hanifin's best days are ahead of him?

Originally Posted by Royle9

For relevancy sake, Krebs has had a sniff in the NHL because Buffalo has been a dumpster fire for the last few years, he was rushed into the NHL.
With that said they had a hot stretch last year and appear to be turning it around.

You're right, Zary hasn't played an NHL game yet but that's only because the Flames had a lot more depth over the last 2 seasons.

Zary has looked far better than Krebs at this point, .80PPG in his 1st full pro season cant be overlooked. These are all opinions of course so we can agree to disagree, the point here is Krebs (even if you say he may be better than Zary) would then fall to 4th on our depth chart.

That alone supports why a Krebs + Olofsson is NOT enough for a Hannifin deal as Krebs cannot be a primary piece at this point in his career.

How has Zary looked far better than Krebs at this point?

Krebs' AHL totals: 25 pts in 25 games
Krebs' NHL totals: 49 points in 135 games (48 in the last 122 NHL games)
Zary's AHL totals: 90 points in 134 games.

I 100% think the add to Krebs for Hanifin would have to be significant (a 1st? Two 2nds?), but I don't get this Zary > Krebs talk. I'd be into a Krebs + picks deal for Hanifin. Young centre from the area, cutting his teeth in the NHL + some picks? Perfect. Not much interest in Olofsson.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

And not a very good one either, especially being the key piece in a deal for a player who's best is yet to come.

If Krebs is what he is then Pelletier who was picked 9 spots after Krebs in the draft is doomed because he isn’t even a full time NHLer.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I don't disagree, but if all they're offering is Krebs (who they have rumored to want to move for a while now) and Olofsson then you wait and get a better return @ the deadline.


Krebs doesnt move the needle at all for Calgary at this point, unless hes attached to a 1st + real prospect or young roster player with upside. It would be like Calgary moving Pelletier and Coleman for Power or Dahlin... Buffalo would be stupid to do it, so why should Calgary bite?

Hanifin doesn't have anywhere near the value of Power or Dahlin. It would be like giving up Pelletier and Mangiapane for top 4 dman with an expiring contract.

Krebs + Olofsson + 1st is about what I am hoping for.

[OutOfTheCube]

Do you guys think Krebs is like 30 years old or something? I know as Flames fans it's weird to think of anyone under 25 on the team but the guy is 22. He is the definition of 'young roster player with upside' and 'best is yet to come'.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Krebs is what he is then Pelletier who was picked 9 spots after Krebs in the draft is doomed because he isn’t even a full time NHLer.

Well do you think its fair to judge our prospects based on the man who was behind the bench the last 3 years?

All of our prospects have played on the top AHL team the last 2 years. I would say the top tier is ahead of Krebs.

Is Walker Duher a key cog to return us a top 2 defenceman who is 26 with over 500 games played? Maybe we can throw in Blake Coleman to make it a fair deal.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Do you guys think Krebs is like 30 years old or something? I know as Flames fans it's weird to think of anyone under 25 on the team but the guy is 22. He is the definition of 'young roster player with upside' and 'best is yet to come'.

Yup, Krebs + Oloffson + picks is basically the template of a trade that Conroy is talking about. Something for now and something for the future. If Conroy can get a top prospect for Hanifin then I will be a happy camper but examples of UFAs getting top prospects are few and far between

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I ain’t sold on Krebs. There are definitely other assets I would rather have from Buffalo.

I would absolutely overpay Buffalo if we could get Tuch! I'm a huge fan of his, but there's no way he gets traded.