2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Tacoman]

Personally, there's no way I'd take Garland for Coleman. We've still got a fair number of smaller players. I love what Coleman brings to the team. Far more than points and he actually chose and wants to be a Flame.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Tacoman

Personally, there's no way I'd take Garland for Coleman. We've still got a fair number of smaller players. I love what Coleman brings to the team. Far more than points and he actually chose and wants to be a Flame.

Oh I definitely agree that Garland is a downgrade on the ice. I like what Coleman brings especially with Backlund. Coleman is also great on the PK, and is more effective 5 on 5. That said, I don't believe Garland is that much of a downgrade, and I could see Garland potentially playing in the top 6 because he seems to be better offensively.

I also question Coleman's age combined with the 4 year contract, and what would he bring as a 34-35 year old in the last 2 years of the deal. Garland is 27, he is signed for 3 more years.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I was actually thinking about 2 trade and I would appreciate your take on them:
1. Coleman is the better player than Garland IMO, but he's signed for a year longer and he's himself 4 years older. Garland also usually puts up more points, and I believe he's a right shot RW.
To CGY : Garland
To VAN: Coleman

2. If Backlund doesn't want to be here, Gourde is a similar player signed for 2 more years. Dube is the better player than Tolvanen IMO, but they have a similar trajectory and potential.
To CGY: Gourde + Tolvanen
To SEA: Backlund + Dube

Okay let me have it, who says no?

1. I am a big fan of Garland, but I do like Coleman's two way ability and as someone mentioned, he did choose to sign here. I would like to keep him because he's a good vet for the squad, don't care for the overpaid naysayers. I think if we got Vancouver to pay a sweet asset for Tanev to take on Garland, I think that's a trade worth exploring. Garland was a play driver in Arizona but hasn't necesarily got that opportunity in Vancouver. He would likely have the same hot/cold streak as Mangiapane, he's pretty much a clone of him except being a better playmaker than a scorer.

2. I think the SEA/CGY deal is lateral at best. I do like Dube a little more than Tolvanen for verastility reasons and a homegrown player. If we are trading Backlund I think his best location would be Boston where he could play Bergeron-lite for Marchand and/or Pasta flanking him. Make Boston give a conditional 1st based on point production or how far they go into the playoffs, Backlund would be a great bandaid while Boston figured out their center depth long term.

If we were to trade with Seattle, I would do everything I could to try and get Lindholm there for Wright. I don't know about you, but A Beniers/Lindholm 1/2 punch would be absolutely annoying to play against. It's a pipe dream though, as we all know Wright long term makes a lot more sense for Seattle who is still up and coming.

[Royle9]

I think we’re selling low on Hanifin for that MSN trade with Buffalo honestly.
Hanifin is a legit top 2 d man.

Krebs - B prospect at this point, unsure what his ceiling is but he hasn’t lived up to his hype yet. Smaller forward as well. Again I think Pelletier has proven more than Krebs at this point so I don’t see a big desire to rush out for Krebs.

Olofsson - top 9 winger who’s had some success but we have a bunch of these guys already, I don’t think he brings anything we’re missing honestly. I’d rather Coronato play in that spot personally.

That seems very very light for an extended Hanifin honestly.
I’d rather hold on and get a 1st++ at the deadline then.

Buffalo has a lot better to offer than that, this to me feels like Buffalo trying to come in lowball via media.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I think we’re selling low on Hanifin for that MSN trade with Buffalo honestly.
Hanifin is a legit top 2 d man.

Krebs - B prospect at this point, unsure what his ceiling is but he hasn’t lived up to his hype yet. Smaller forward as well. Again I think Pelletier has proven more than Krebs at this point so I don’t see a big desire to rush out for Krebs.

Olofsson - top 9 winger who’s had some success but we have a bunch of these guys already, I don’t think he brings anything we’re missing honestly. I’d rather Coronato play in that spot personally.

That seems very very light for an extended Hanifin honestly.
I’d rather hold on and get a 1st++ at the deadline then.

Buffalo has a lot better to offer than that, this to me feels like Buffalo trying to come in lowball via media.

what if the Sabres added a 1st round pick in one of the upcoming drafts? that might be decent value and make the retool and rebuild people content.

[Major Major]

Woof. Start with their first, go from there.

[Royle9]

I’d want a 1st + swap out Krebs for Ostlund or Rosen or even a Jack Quinn.
Olofsson could stay for cap reasons.

If they don’t want to give up the 1st then I’d take Benson + Olofsson as the 2 for 1.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

1. I am a big fan of Garland, but I do like Coleman's two way ability and as someone mentioned, he did choose to sign here. I would like to keep him because he's a good vet for the squad, don't care for the overpaid naysayers. I think if we got Vancouver to pay a sweet asset for Tanev to take on Garland, I think that's a trade worth exploring. Garland was a play driver in Arizona but hasn't necesarily got that opportunity in Vancouver. He would likely have the same hot/cold streak as Mangiapane, he's pretty much a clone of him except being a better playmaker than a scorer.

2. I think the SEA/CGY deal is lateral at best. I do like Dube a little more than Tolvanen for verastility reasons and a homegrown player. If we are trading Backlund I think his best location would be Boston where he could play Bergeron-lite for Marchand and/or Pasta flanking him. Make Boston give a conditional 1st based on point production or how far they go into the playoffs, Backlund would be a great bandaid while Boston figured out their center depth long term.

If we were to trade with Seattle, I would do everything I could to try and get Lindholm there for Wright. I don't know about you, but A Beniers/Lindholm 1/2 punch would be absolutely annoying to play against. It's a pipe dream though, as we all know Wright long term makes a lot more sense for Seattle who is still up and coming.

1. I actually think of Tanev as this team's unspoken MVP, that's why I have a hard time even imaging trading him anywhere. I think a better fit for someone like Tanev is LA, for someone like Arvidsson. Coleman is a good soldier, but he doesn't impact the game enough from this fan's uneducated view. I agree that Coleman likely won't move because he still has a full NTC, and he chose to play here.

2. The Seattle deal is lateral. We do get 2 years of Gourde for 1 year of Backlund. Gourde has also shown chemistry with Coleman forming one of the best 3rd lines in recent memory. Tolvanen is a downgrade from Dube to accommodate for getting the extra year of Gourde. As for Backlund going to BOS, picks have been hard to come by, and I'm not sure we could get a 1st at this point.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Don't mind Krebs. He's still got very strong attributes and is a centre. He's the type of guy you can acquire. Teams rarely trade their best prospects/young players.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

1. I actually think of Tanev as this team's unspoken MVP, that's why I have a hard time even imaging trading him anywhere. I think a better fit for someone like Tanev is LA, for someone like Arvidsson. Coleman is a good soldier, but he doesn't impact the game enough from this fan's uneducated view. I agree that Coleman likely won't move because he still has a full NTC, and he chose to play here.

2. The Seattle deal is lateral. We do get 2 years of Gourde for 1 year of Backlund. Gourde has also shown chemistry with Coleman forming one of the best 3rd lines in recent memory. Tolvanen is a downgrade from Dube to accommodate for getting the extra year of Gourde. As for Backlund going to BOS, picks have been hard to come by, and I'm not sure we could get a 1st at this point.

I do like Tanev here and he has been nothing but great here, but I think if you can sell high on him you absolutely do it. Quinn Hughes played some of his best hokcey with Tanev as his partner, that's the only reason why I considered it so we could leverage that into a deal in hopes for a high pick or something. You know Vancouver is starving for some kind of playoff success too.

As for Backlund, I have a feeling that it would take a three way deal for something to happen. Boston is willing to move DeBrusk (I think? Always seem him in rumors for a center), would have to find a team that would like to pay up for DeBrusk and then Boston allocate those assets for Backlund.

I am happy that Conroy isn't selling low. Otherwise, everyone would have been traded by now.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Don't mind Krebs. He's still got very strong attributes and is a centre. He's the type of guy you can acquire. Teams rarely trade their best prospects/young players.

Sure but you add a first to him easily. He's a b prospect. This trade has been done to death and I don't know why some are having such trouble with the valuation.

Protected first+ b prospect + roster player/cap dump

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Don't mind Krebs. He's still got very strong attributes and is a centre. He's the type of guy you can acquire. Teams rarely trade their best prospects/young players.

At this stage in their long rebuild/retool, playoff drought, whatever you want to call it, Buffalo has to give to get. I think the argument here is we can do better with the assets they have. No, we're not asking for Benson/Savoie, but I think it's fair to ask for one of Quinn / Krebs / Kulich. Retain all of these players and you have a cluttered lineup full of forwards eagerly needing ice time to reach some kind of potential.

[Vinny01]

I would be very interested in Krebs if the Flames were also moving on from one of Lindholm/Backlund, especially Backlund because we could slot him into the 3 spot and give him a good chance to grow and not be thrown in too deep. I suppose they do the same if they move Lindholm but then the center group will be pretty weak with Kadri-Backlund as the top 2.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Don't mind Krebs. He's still got very strong attributes and is a centre. He's the type of guy you can acquire. Teams rarely trade their best prospects/young players.

He’s in a bit of a log-jam at C behind Thompson, Cozens, and Middlestadt, so he’s been deployed mainly in a checking role. But he’s a strong passer, and is a good candidate for a breakout with better linemates. I wouldn’t have a problem with Krebs as the ‘something now’ piece in a trade for Hanifin, with a prospect like Ostlund as the ‘something later’ component.

[theslymonkey]

Is there any smoke around Nolan Patrick or Puljujarvi? You have to assume a team takes a flyer on either of them as a buy low.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Is there any smoke around Nolan Patrick or Puljujarvi? You have to assume a team takes a flyer on either of them as a buy low.

Puljujarvi had both hips operated on and is out a while.

[Toonage]

Patrick's career is likely done. Puljujarvi may as well be, coming off hip surgery and a lackluster season prior to his being a FA

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Sure but you add a first to him easily. He's a b prospect. This trade has been done to death and I don't know why some are having such trouble with the valuation.

Protected first+ b prospect + roster player/cap dump

If the valuation was that easy, the deal would be done.

[Saqe]

Krebs has looked very underwhelming when I've seen him play. Like straight up bad. And I don't really care about his prospect status or where he was drafted anymore, he's turning 23 next January and will be waiver eligible this year.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Patrick's career is likely done. Puljujarvi may as well be, coming off hip surgery and a lackluster season prior to his being a FA

There is a rumour that the Caps might offer JP a PTO. It seems like a vague rumour that started because writer suggested it though, so huge grain of salt.