I am not sure he is. Yes, the Lindholm contract turned out fortunately, but typically he either overpays aging free agents on both term and aav (including Huberdeau, digned to age 38), lowballs guys who end up walking for nothing when they don't feel Treliving valued them well (Gaudreau, Brodie), strongarms and lowballs guys on aav and yet gets burned with shorter term rfa deals than what those players should be signing (Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Kylington, the list goes on), or just throws a fit when things don't go his way in negotiations (Kulak).
You look across the league and other GMs have signed their players to far more enviable deals.
Fair criticism.
I'm guessing he often gets what he wants in negotiations, so he's a good negotiator in that sense.
He just doesn't always want the right things at the right time.
And...somewhat off-topic, but apparently I missed this somewhere..what's the deal with Lanny McDonald and making lots and lots of money? (And what does that have to do with BT?)
Making a lot of money = your opinion being righter on the internet, duh. Doesn't matter that people are probably lying about what they make if they're even talking about it online.
Treliving more than slavaged this off season. He really changed the makeup of the team. I liked Gaudreau as a human and a hockey player, but he chose another suitor. I liked Tkachuk as a player, but with what Treliving got in return, I am more than happy to turn the page.
Even though I'd heard the JG rumours of going east for years, I always felt like MT was the real flight risk. Looks like everyone was right.
Treliving would have been tarred and feathered if he traded JG last summer. Then we had an amazing season, so he couldn't trade during. He lucked the F out that Huberdeau wants to be here. There's no way he calculated that. No offense to BT, but he's getting credit for something that was so unlikely I still don't believe it.
Now, everyone go back to hating JG for leaving, and also talking about how much money you make. Those are the important topics. And remember that chiropractors are not doctors.
I would be shocked if any reputable ranking of NHL organizational prospects would have Calgary’s prospects in the top 25 in the NHL right now.
The Athletic had them at 16 mid-season. Now they probably go down because they didn't have many picks this year, including first rounder. But it's not unreasonable that they are still in the low 20s.
Without a fluke run in 04, this franchise hasn't made the finals since 89. We been through many GMs and coaches since then.
Tre's teams have the 2nd and 3rd best playoff performances out of 32 years (though that first year was inherited). He's soley responsible for the 1st and 2nd best regular seasons in that span, though.
Coming off the high watermark for both regular season and playoffs in 32 years and people still want him fired? lol.
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Our offense is one star forward down from last season, and looking at the playoffs, we were more like a long shot then than a contender. We even took a step backward in playoff experience when we switched Gaudreau to Huberdeau.
Doesn't mean we'll suck, and a lot could change between now and May. There's cap space, there's some prospects, there's Weegar, and if Markström doesn't have a meltdown that would make a huge difference.
But no, I don't think it's realistic to think we're a top 6 forward away from being contenders. At least not on paper, which is what all we have in August.
Gaudreau technically has played 42 playoff games...mostly underwhelming performances against mostly against crappy teams that got knocked out the next round (ANA '17 and DAL cinderella run being the 2 exceptions).
Huby has 26 total playoff gp. In the last 3 seasons, FLA has faced TBL twice (SCC and SCF), beaten WAS, and lost to NYI in quali round (went to ECF that year)
Gaudreau is 0.81ppg in the last 4 years. Huby is 0.9, which is nothing special, but against much tougher competition. Huby had 10pts in the 6 game series against TBL season before last...otherwise he hasn't been very good, but he's at least shown a higher playoff ceiling against an all-time great team.
How about the discussion swerve back to the actual GM performance?
Silence you! This is the off-season! This is just getting good!
Lets go back to discussing Treliving's skills as a Professor of Chiropractic practices...that was the sweet spot.
If Treliving is a subpar Chiropractor then does he need to go? Or is that an asset and he should be extended? We can let some of the training staff go and Tre can work double-duty?
How is his lumbar compression game??
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Lets go back to discussing Treliving's skills as a Professor of Chiropractic practices...that was the sweet spot.
If Treliving is a subpar Chiropractor then does he need to go? Or is that an asset and he should be extended? We can let some of the training staff go and Tre can work double-duty?
How is his lumbar compression game??
You forgot to ask if he signed JH's contract with one of those pens with the bends in it.
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The Athletic had them at 16 mid-season. Now they probably go down because they didn't have many picks this year, including first rounder. But it's not unreasonable that they are still in the low 20s.
Which was a big jump from their pre-season prospect ranking of 26 in the Athletic. Losing Ruzicka and Heineman from their under 23 prospect pool and replacing them with nobody means I suspect they will be in the bottom fifth of the league next month when the Athletic comes out with their ranking.
Which was a big jump from their pre-season prospect ranking of 26 in the Athletic. Losing Ruzicka and Heineman from their under 23 prospect pool and replacing them with nobody means I suspect they will be in the bottom fifth of the league next month when the Athletic comes out with their ranking.
They added Cole Schwidt though which I think largely offsets Heineman
This biggest issue is the lack of a 1st from this past draft.
No. It is obvious gaslighting to suggest that Gaudreau left because he felt disrespected and "lowballed." What sort of nonsense is this?
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It's a catch 22 is what it is.
If BT gets Johnny for a good price- he disrespected him and somehow made Johnny agree to the disrespectful contract hence he walked.
If BT overpaid or paid him a "fair" rate - he over paid or if he truly was a good GM he would of done one of his critical duties and get value contracts.
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... but typically he ... lowballs guys who end up walking for nothing when they don't feel Treliving valued them well (Gaudreau, Brodie) ...
If I remembered correctly, Brodie signed with Toronto because his wife has MS and he wants to be closed to family, not because Treliving low balled him. And as per Gaudreau, is $10.5M really a low ball offer? Huberdeau signed it right away.
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Haven't actually watched this but saw it and seem relevant to this thread so enjoy if you like this type of thing
Q: Your fans are asking if you're done in the FA market
A: I don't know if you're ever done. You're always trying to help your team, obviously you have a cap to work within. We are no different then anyone else. .......... We have extra deference right now, we continue to look at the forward group and still play around with that. Long ways to go before we drop the puck
BT first sentence in his answer here surprised me, implies he admits we are missing something since last year and working for that. Not that its a surprise he may know we are missing a good forward but just... candid about it, I think it reassures us he is still working if doubt was there:
Q: can you be as good or better then last year. Experts predicted a deep run last year
A: Well I guess the answer is we will see, long time till we drop the puck......We still have players who haven't reached their ceiling and growth within the organization.
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Flames should just sign Brad to a lifetime contract. Seems doubtful we can reach the lofty heights the Flames have reached under him with anybody else.
Huberdeau signed it right away. 
