[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

It's really funny, remember so many saying Oilers going to "walk" to the SC final? Reality hit that they regressed from the year before which the year before they were in WCF and this year they got knocked out in the second round. So, IF they make it to the playoff next year, they'll get knocked out in the first round, probably a swept to boot.

They just had a season where everything went right for them… goaltending, depth scoring and career years for a bunch of their top players, and most importantly - health. And they still got hammered at 5-on-5 in the playoffs.

Now imagine a bunch of things going wrong for them… like losing McDavid to injury for 3 months. They’re a lottery team in that scenario.


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[getbak]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Did it used to be that the trade deadline was a key date? I remember the Oilers wanting to acquire Hymans rights to add a meaningless 8th year to get his AAV down, but because he wasn't an Oiler at the deadline they could not sign him for 8 years.

Yes, the trade deadline is the important date. In the past, it was only the most-recent trade deadline that mattered, but they changed it a few years ago to also take the next deadline into account if the player still has a year left in his contract.

Between the trade deadline and the end of the season (June 30), a player who doesn't have a contract for the next season can only sign an 8-year extension with the team that held his rights at the most-recent trade deadline.

From July 1 until the trade deadline, a player who is in the final year of his contract can sign an 8-year extension with the team who holds his rights at the time of signing regardless of who held his rights at the most-recent trade deadline.

Once a player becomes a UFA, he can't sign an 8-year contract with any team. If a player is an RFA, he can sign an 8-year extension with his current team, but could only sign a 7-year offer sheet.



In Tkachuk's case, he didn't have a contract for 2022-23, so he could only sign for 8 years with the Flames.

In Hyman's case, he was set to become a UFA, but could have signed for 8 years with Toronto in a sign-and-trade before he hit UFA status, but the Oilers weren't willing to pay what the Leafs wanted in order to make it happen.

In Lindholm's case, because he is under contract for 2023-24, he can sign for 8 years with the team that holds his rights at the time of signing. It doesn't have to be the Flames.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

It's really funny, remember so many saying Oilers going to "walk" to the SC final? Reality hit that they regressed from the year before which the year before they were in WCF and this year they got knocked out in the second round. So, IF they make it to the playoff next year, they'll get knocked out in the first round, probably a swept to boot.

Before the season started, Oiler fans were trumpeting that they were this massively improved team. Some of us here, including myself, argued that they were the same team, with worse goaltending. As stemit14 said, pretty much everything went right for them this year, and yet, despite that, they were the same team with worse goaltending.

And now they have huge cap problems, which will significantly erode their bottom 6, as well as not allow them to improve in any material way. But it's summer, so Oiler fans (and closet Oiler fans) will be here to tell us why they are, once again, the greatest thing since the '76 Habs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by getbak

In Lindholm's case, because he is under contract for 2023-24, he can sign for 8 years with the team that holds his rights at the time of signing. It doesn't have to be the Flames.

But that (official) signing cannot take place until July 1 correct.

[Bingo]

Yikes ... 6 pages of catching up on panic and over reaction mixed in with an Oiler fan drive by.

I'm going to wait and see and not live and die by every media tweet. They have an inkling of what's going on, but then add colour to create traffic. The colour is often manufactured.

Seems like a negotiation with a non fixed deadline and some uncertainty to me. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

[boogerz]

Besides the fact that a Horvat-style contract for Lindholm is both too much money and term for his age and what he brings to the table, re-signing Lindholm doesn't make sense for the makeup of the forward group.

Then you're stuck with two top 6 centers in Lindholm and Kadri (assuming Backlund leaves or takes a step back) that make a combined $15M+ for the next six years that do not jive with the Flames' marquee play-driver (Huberdeau).

If Lindholm wants more than $7.5M AAV, trade him for the king's ransom that he'll fetch because of his current undervalued contract.

[Bingo]

I know everyone wants scorched earth but you do need to have a semblance of a team to build around to keep it from going Buffalo/Edmonton.

Add in the team's likely wish to change the narrative (everyone is leaving!) and maybe you bet on a good person/player to age well and keep him around.

Won't be a popular direction if they take it, but I at least see some logic in it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I know everyone wants scorched earth but you do need to have a semblance of a team to build around to keep it from going Buffalo/Edmonton.

Add in the team's likely wish to change the narrative (everyone is leaving!) and maybe you bet on a good person/player to age well and keep him around.

Won't be a popular direction if they take it, but I at least see some logic in it.

I actually think they are better off not flooding the market before July 1 and saving some of their trades for the TDL or maybe a month prior. And maybe extending a player as well, as long as they are happy campers.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Username: Flames

Not that much ####tier. Calgary is okay, but it's not as amazing as some people say. It's better than Edmonton, Regina, Winnipeg, and in some ways is better than Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver (smaller city, so less homelessness, less traffic, ect) but I really don't think Calgary is leaps and bounds better than Edmonton.

We're slightly better because we have mountains...

I live in northern California in the Bay Area (not San Fran).

Anyone.....i mean 100% ANYONE....from here who has been to my home town comes back here raving. Folks here effing love visiting Calgary. They say: So clean. Beautiful mountains. People are AMAZINGLY nice. Restaurants are great. Skiing? Awesome. Hockey tournaments? So cool. It is common here to have 2nd homes in Tahoe, Idaho, Montana, and/or Napa/Sonoma which are nice too. Only mentioning this because these compliments about Calgary are made in light of knowing other nice places.

But...no one...i mean literally NO ONE has ever said anything nice about Edmonton. Ever. Or anything at all actually.

I do think it is tough for Americans to live in Canada (all kinds of different reasons). Calgary does suck in the winter (testicle receding type cold). And visiting is different than living.

But it is an amazing city. I wouldn't let anyone tell you differently.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I actually think they are better off not flooding the market before July 1 and saving some of their trades for the TDL or maybe a month prior. And maybe extending a player as well, as long as they are happy campers.

It's kind of naive to believe the club is gong to make all of their trades before the draft or free agency. It would seem prudent to let some things percolate through the season.

There's really nothing to criticize or defend at this point, but obviously keeping the status quo past July 1 would be concerning.

[ForeverFlameFan]

We're really shooting for the stars if you think Conroy has trades in place for all 4 of our prime assets getting traded away.

Luckily, patience is on our side. We aren't the ones that are in dire need to make a move, yet. Yes, Conroy has set a timetable. At the same time though, players that can sign extensions July 1st do NOT HAVE to do it on July 1st.

With how bad the UFA class is, and teams not wanting to years for a mediocre player, they'd rather pay the assets to grab a very good player at a reasonable salary, then negotiate terms later. Contending teams are going to heavily look into Calgary's players. They already are.

[Chi-Town Hustler]

I hope to hear a lot of bettman's classic "we've got a trade to announce" at this draft. And that it's all flams. Blow it up.

Go Flams

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's kind of naive to believe the club is gong to make all of their trades before the draft or free agency. It would seem prudent to let some things percolate through the season.

There's really nothing to criticize or defend at this point, but obviously keeping the status quo past July 1 would be concerning.

And anyone judging if the management team is doing a good job or bad job based on snippets from the media are really jumping the shark.

I'd need to know what they've offered Lindholm and all the detailed trade proposals from other teams to make that kind of a read.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler

I hope to hear a lot of bettman's classic "we've got a trade to announce" at this draft. And that it's all flams. Blow it up.

Go Flams

I remember when that happened for the Tanguay trade. I love draft floor blockbusters, especially when the Flames are involved

[gvitaly]

You need to do a lot of mental gymnastics so you can be happy with Lindholm signing a $9M x 8 contract. I see him as a $7-7.5M player. I certainly won't be happy with him making $9M 5-8 years down the road. I also don't see the Flames contending in the next 5 years.

The only reason we're entertaining $9M is because the cap is supposed to go up significantly. Here are some hard questions we need to be asking ourselves:

How many OT games did Lindholm win for us?

How good was he at shutting down EDM's centers in the playoffs?

How many players on the Flames does he make better/has chemistry with?

Is he good enough at carrying the puck in transition?

What is his role on the PP, and who will get him the puck?

All those questions make me think he doesn't warrant the $9M price tag. Especially towards the end of that potential contract.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I know everyone wants scorched earth but you do need to have a semblance of a team to build around to keep it from going Buffalo/Edmonton.

Add in the team's likely wish to change the narrative (everyone is leaving!) and maybe you bet on a good person/player to age well and keep him around.

Won't be a popular direction if they take it, but I at least see some logic in it.

That's true, but they have lots of pieces to keep around and mentor younger guys already - Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, Anderson, etc. From an asset management perspective, this is one of your best assets to acquire some blue chip talent. And how does a kid get a chance when you have Lindholm, Kadri, and Backlund (?) locking down your top two (three?) center spots for the foreseeable future?

I like Lindholm and he's a great player that championship teams need, but he's also not a gamebreaker. If they end up keeping him, to me it signals we're sticking with the same never say rebuild/ if you can sneak in anything can happen philosophy.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The only reason we're entertaining $9M is because the cap is supposed to go up significantly...

Well, that, and that is what the market says he is worth.

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[getbak]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But that (official) signing cannot take place until July 1 correct.

Correct.

[Hockey_Ninja]

EDIT: wrong thread

[dammage79]

I don't think ppl should hang onto last seasons production performances too much. Any team going through that tumultuous of a turnover paired with the toxic environment that was the Flames, they all should get a bit of a pass. The fact they did put up 93 points in a fog of war environment is actually a bit more impressive all things considered.

I'm all for the rebuild, but I want the right pieces in place. Lindholm is one of the pieces IMO.

But as I said yesterday, the indecisive (presumably) holding back of commitment doesn't jive with me. So move him is he wants to waffle.