[Signing] Flames sign Brouwer (4 yrs, $4.5mil AAV, NTC)

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Because it doesn't matter to me. RFA deals are better deals, and usually the best UFA deals are bargain bins like Stempniak on the devils, or Tanguay on the Flames because there's no risk.

RFA deals to re-sign your own players are better deals. RFA deals to try to acquire assets via offer sheets tend to be some of the worst deals imaginable.

Since the Flames neither had Brouwer, nor anyone comparable to him, in their system, it's ridiculous to compare his deal to an RFA deal made with a player on a team's own protected list.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Right, but Bolland at 5.5 million is the issue, not Bolland at only a few million. I'm not going to hate on Brouwer if he signed for 2 million at 1 year!? He could score 0 goals it would still not be an issue at a low salary.

Apples and oranges

Uh, yeah, bringing up Bolland in a conversation about Bouwer is Apples and Oranges. Totally irrelevant nonsense.

I mean, is Bolland at 5.5 the issue? Because 5.5 per for 5 years for a player 2 years ago that (at the time) had never played a full season, had come off of putting in a 35 and a 23 game season, and was coming off seasons of getting 0.49, 0.40, and 0.52 Pts per game does seem a little crazy.

Definitely a different conversation than 4.5/4 for a guy who hasn't missed a game in years and is coming off seasons of 0.52, 0.52, and 0.48 Pts per game.

The Bolland comparison makes no sense no matter how you look at it. A million dollars less for a better and more reliable player... you're right... great deal?

[bax]

I've said this before, but I'll just say it again:

Building a competitive hockey team isn't simply about scoring points. Brouwer brings a ton to the table and will help us win (in addition to scoring points).

Saying you would rather have Stempniak, comparing Brouwer to Bolland, or comparing a ufa deal to a bunch of rfa deals is pure nonsense

[btimbit]

My Brouwer jersey should be here by the end of the month. Can it be October already please?

[oldschoolcalgary]

wasn't brouwer earning 3.66 with St.L? 4.5 doesn't seems like a massive overpayment...

For the people that disagree with the signing, i still haven't heard what their suggestions were to fill the RW hole we had?

Not a lot of guys on the UFA market that would be a better solution was there?

[FiveSeven]

Man it's 4 years. It doesn't impede signing Johnny or Mony.
It won't impact signing Bennett.
By the time it's time to sign another prospect it won't impact that either.
I'm sure once the bad contracts come off the books they won't be replaced with more bad contracts.
I'm not saying he is overpaid or not, but if he is, it can't be more than 1 million.
Being overpaid by 1 million dollars to add a RW with size and leadership and skill, hardly an issue. Tree also pointed out we ran a ALL LH shots on PP lots, Bowser can help that.
This is a an example of the mountain out of a molehill in order to justify an opinion that simply cannot be justified because it's based off of an internal justification, a personal interpretation of evidence.
He isn't the best, he isn't the worst, but I believe he will be worth the money, term will be fine. Now let him prove it.

The only logical thing to do is just stop and wait for him to play.
I'm willing to bet he scores career highs within the 4 years, and his leadership and intensity plays a big role in the direction of the flames and their players.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Because that's the type of "logic" anyone debating with this guy has to deal with. Flawed to no end.

You are completely right. I shall not be continuing down that road, I urge others to do the same.

[CASe333]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

What a brutal signing. Brouwer is a career 30pt player. He signed for 1.5 million less than Backes, Eriksson, Lucic, and Okoposo. I would much rather pump another 1.5 million into an actual top 6 winger.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...86#post5821186

seriously would a flames fan ever try to guess the oilers roster next year? looking through your posts I can't believe you haven't been called out more.

I am guessing either Oil fan or giant hairy Troll?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by CASe333

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...86#post5821186

seriously would a flames fan ever try to guess the oilers roster next year? looking through your posts I can't believe you haven't been called out more.

I am guessing either Oil fan or giant hairy Troll?

he was run off that other board for being a troll

[GoJetsGo]

It's funny the guy that was gushing about the moves the Oilers are making is the same one crapping on the Brouwer signing and doing so with falsehoods and defeated logic.

This time of year tends to do this to people. And by this time of year, I mean "Oiler Season".

[MarkGio]

You guys are sad. You do realize I don't HAVE to be an Oilers fan just because I agree with a move they did and disagree with a move Trevy did. You know you've spent too much time jerking each other off when you start persecuting a thread because someone wanted to see what each Flames player gets in points, and now you're attacking me the poster and not my posts because I relayed an unfavorable opinion. Why don't you try reading threads of other fans to get a non Homer perspective.

Why don't you try being an adult first, and don't let your defense mechanisms get the better of you. I'm not an Oilers fan and I'm not a troll, so simmer down children.

[Resolute 14]

C'mon guys, lay off MarkGio. It's obviously difficult to carry that heavy cross goalpost around everywhere while trying to pretend to be a Flames fan rather than an Oilers fan.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

You guys are sad. You do realize I don't HAVE to be an Oilers fan just because I agree with a move they did and disagree with a move Trevy did. You know you've spent too much time jerking each other off when you start persecuting a thread because someone wanted to see what each Flames player gets in points, and now you're attacking me the poster and not my posts because I relayed an unfavorable opinion. Why don't you try reading threads of other fans to get a non Homer perspective.

Why don't you try being an adult first, and don't let your defense mechanisms get the better of you. I'm not an Oilers fan and I'm not a troll, so simmer down children.

Real mature adult over here

[flame^thrower]

[QUOTE=MarkGio;5827121]Why don't you try reading threads of other fans to get a non Homer perspective.QUOTE]

Why don't you wait and actually watch the player before being so absolute about how good or bad the signing is? Not trying to keep the fight going, just curious. You seem quite set against the player and it seems you don't have much knowledge about him at all.

[PsYcNeT]

I mean, I can get behind MarkGio's call for a reduction in the general circle jerk that happens here, but come on.

The guy was mad about Colborne. Nothing to see here.

[MarkGio]

[QUOTE=flame^thrower;5827127]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Why don't you try reading threads of other fans to get a non Homer perspective.QUOTE]

Why don't you wait and actually watch the player before being so absolute about how good or bad the signing is? Not trying to keep the fight going, just curious. You seem quite set against the player and it seems you don't have much knowledge about him at all.

I like Brouwer? I never knocked him. I knocked his contract relative to his play.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Take this with a grain of salt, but my wife and I were at Mercato West last night for dinner, and our server said that Brouwer was in there in March having dinner with his family and told him flat out that he is going to sign with the Flames in the offseason.

Apparently Wideman is a regular there.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by bax

I've said this before, but I'll just say it again:

Building a competitive hockey team isn't simply about scoring points. Brouwer brings a ton to the table and will help us win (in addition to scoring points).

Saying you would rather have Stempniak, comparing Brouwer to Bolland, or comparing a ufa deal to a bunch of rfa deals is pure nonsense

Well, I won't speak for everyone here, but for me it's:

Brouwer>>>Stempniak>>>>>>Bolland.

He's been pretty underwhelming in Florida. Injuries are a major factor for sure, but that's a contract I'd like to be rid of yesterday. He brings nothing to the team and eats up over $5 million/year in cap space.

At least Stempniak is a positive contributor at both ends of the ice. Not a difference maker, but a very good support player.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by CASe333

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...86#post5821186

seriously would a flames fan ever try to guess the oilers roster next year? looking through your posts I can't believe you haven't been called out more.

I am guessing either Oil fan or giant hairy Troll?

I think he just tries to be a contrarian. No real Oiler fan would have this "hot take":

Anybody could replace Hall's point totals playing along side McDavid too.

If there's one thing Oiler fans know, it's that Hall is a premier producer in the league in his own right.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by CASe333

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...86#post5821186

seriously would a flames fan ever try to guess the oilers roster next year? looking through your posts I can't believe you haven't been called out more.

I am guessing either Oil fan or giant hairy Troll?

I detest posts like this.