06-23-2012, 03:44 PM
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#681
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by neo45
Why would the wait so long to deal #14 if they had no interest in some other players?
I think they were looking at some of the guys that went top 10, but the ones that fell to them weren't the ones they liked. No complaints here
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why would they deal it sooner? you potentially miss out on a better offer if you accept too soon.
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06-23-2012, 03:46 PM
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#682
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire
I love how civil this thread is now that all the reactionary, immature little kids are gone.
Now we can have intelligent disagreements on whether this was a good or bad pick without name calling and multiple "#" signs.
Personally, I like the pick. I'm cautiously optimistic about Jankowski. He's a year younger than everyone else and he's only just going to the USHL now while everyone else is leaving it.
Feaster and co. are gamblers. No doubt about it.
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I agree with everything you said there, but it's funny that right after this post, Stay Golden decided to come back into the thread.
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06-23-2012, 03:47 PM
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#683
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neo45
Why would they wait so long to deal #14 if they had no interest in some other players?
I think they were looking at some of the guys that went top 10, but the ones that fell to them weren't the ones they liked. No complaints here
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Maybe it was the other side (Buffalo or equiv) that wanted to wait and see who was at #14 to see if they wanted to trade up?
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06-23-2012, 03:49 PM
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#684
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
Maybe it was the other side (Buffalo or equiv) that wanted to wait and see who was at #14 to see if they wanted to trade up?
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They clearly had an interest in Dumba. That however was a longshot at best, but as they stated this draft was completely unpredictable so why take the risk?
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06-23-2012, 03:50 PM
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#685
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Backup Goalie
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There are Rumors that New Jersey chose to keep their 1st round pick this year to draft Jankowski
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06-23-2012, 03:51 PM
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#686
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
They clearly had an interest in Dumba. That however was a longshot at best, but as they stated this draft was completely unpredictable so why take the risk?
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I"m sure they were interested in a lot of players... maybe some scouts liked Dumba, maybe others like Jankowski, and they wanted that final interview to decide? Maybe they had Dumba top 3, and Jankowski top 5?
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06-23-2012, 03:52 PM
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#687
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggyinla
There are Rumors that New Jersey chose to keep their 1st round pick this year to draft Jankowski
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That would make a lot of sense. Someone (Feaster? Weisbrod?) said there were 2 teams below them that would take Jankowski if they didn't.
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06-23-2012, 03:54 PM
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#688
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
That would make a lot of sense. Someone (Feaster? Weisbrod?) said there were 2 teams below them that would take Jankowski if they didn't.
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Phoenix and New Jersey appear to be the logical choices there I would assume.
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06-23-2012, 03:58 PM
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#689
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
A guy in a similar situation and "reach" was Blake Wheeler for the Coyotes. First example that should spring immediately to mind
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That one turned out fairly well for the player. Not so well for Phoenix, but thats a different story.
Can you think of any others? Its pretty rare I believe, but haven't done any stat checking on it.
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Shocking, nor does anyone care.
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You cared enough to respond in a snotty manner.
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06-23-2012, 04:00 PM
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#690
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First Line Centre
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Location: Reppin' the C in BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iamca
Flames could have taken him in the 3rd round, brutal pick in the first.
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This is damn if you do, damn if you don't. Ppl here complain that Flames don't take chances on high risk picks at the draft and that they play it safe. We lack high end talent in our prospect pool outside of Sven and this is home run swing, not sure it will work but at least they are taking a shot
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06-23-2012, 04:00 PM
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#691
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
That one turned out fairly well for the player. Not so well for Phoenix, but thats a different story.
Can you think of any others? Its pretty rare I believe, but haven't done any stat checking on it.
You cared enough to respond in a snotty manner.
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It's okay. He will turn out better then nugget Hopkins.
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06-23-2012, 04:07 PM
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#692
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phanuthier
Maybe it was the other side (Buffalo or equiv) that wanted to wait and see who was at #14 to see if they wanted to trade up?
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Makes sense, Buffalo had a great draft
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06-23-2012, 04:27 PM
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#693
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Acerbic Cyberbully
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
They obviously aren't that impressed with his skills and potential or the kid would have been ranked, and went higher then 21st overall. 2/3rds of NHL scouting teams passed him by.
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This is such a stupid argument. 2/3 of NHL teams passed over every player that went after #20. That doesn't mean they think poorly of all of these players, nor does it mean that they are all not as good as the 20 playes selected before them. The NHL is not a hive-mind that charts the progression of prospects in exactly the same fashion. NHL teams do not all employ the same draft philosophies in their evaluation of talent. Just because Jankowski was not picked until #21 does not mean that scouts were unimpressed by him. It has already been well documented why Jankowski was ranked in the second round, but this has a lot less to do with his hockey skills and mostly to do with the fact that he wasn't playing tier-1 juniour. Again, when you read the scouting reports, they are all very high on his vision, hockey IQ, and his puck-skills—these were NOT the reason for his lower ranking.
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06-23-2012, 04:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
A guy in a similar situation and "reach" was Blake Wheeler for the Coyotes. First example that should spring immediately to mind.
Shocking, nor does anyone care.
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
They obviously aren't that impressed with his skills and potential or the kid would have been ranked, and went higher then 21st overall. 2/3rds of NHL scouting teams passed him by.
I doubt its bias against the league as Kyle Turris for example who played at a lower level was still taken 3rd overall. Feaster claiming this kid could be the best player in the draft seems pretty far fetched.
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MMF gave the more apropo example, as Blake Wheeler played at a similar level to Jankowski, whereas the league Turris (OilStains suggestion) played in, the BCHL, is actually a notch above prep-school/high school hockey in terms of the competition. Think of all the AJHLers and BCHLers in the league, like Turris, Zajac, McCabe, Heatley, Brendan Yip, Ryan Johansen, Brett Hull, David Jones etc. There is a slew of pretty good players at that level. So the notion of there being some bias towards the league Jankowski played in is still relevant. I really hope Jankowski turns out to be the home run we are looking for.
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06-23-2012, 04:49 PM
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#695
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggyinla
There are Rumors that New Jersey chose to keep their 1st round pick this year to draft Jankowski
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Could you post the link/links, thanks.
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06-23-2012, 04:54 PM
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#696
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Hey everyone,
It could've been worse. We could've drafted a CCHL, BCHL, and High-NH player like the Canucks did
Could you imagine the freakout session CP would have. Lt.Spears would have an aneurysm.
Link: http://www.forecaster.ca/demos/hocke...Van&DraftID=30
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06-23-2012, 04:58 PM
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#697
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The BCHL is the worst, hope we never draft from there again. Chris Chucko ruined it.
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06-23-2012, 05:01 PM
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#698
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteLFan
The BCHL is the worst, hope we never draft from there again. Chris Chucko ruined it.
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I still think Chucko was a quality pick. He was progressing very nicely into a good prospect until the concussion issues happened. The rest is history. Chucko was one of the few good Darryl picks IMO.
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06-23-2012, 05:04 PM
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#699
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I might be aging myself a little bit, but I recall when the Flames were one of the only teams drafting a lot out of the American universities. We found a few sleeper picks and eventually more teams caught on.
Maybe the USHL is getting to be like that. I know that the American hockey bodies have been trying to improve their junior system.
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06-23-2012, 05:04 PM
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#700
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire
I still think Chucko was a quality pick. He was progressing very nicely into a good prospect until the concussion issues happened. The rest is history. Chucko was one of the few good Darryl picks IMO.
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Chucko was picked in 2004, and the game totally changed after that. He had two flaws in his game. He doesn't skate well and he doesn't think the game at a high level, who things that were needed post lockout in 2005.
If the game stayed the same after the lockout Chucko would probably be an NHL'er.
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