Brad Treliving needs to go

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, Treliving's weaknesses were coaching hires, struggled to nail down a #1 goalie and bad high price UFA signings.

Now he has Sutter, Markstrom and his last three big UFA signings were Tanev, Markstrom and Coleman.

Plus he hasn't made a crappy trade since the Hamonic misstep, and that was like 4 years ago.

The last two full non-COVID seasons his teams have won the division with 106 and 111 points.

The guy has learned a lot, seems to be well respected and the rabbit he pulled out of the hat this off season from hell is impressive.

If this core can't get over the hump and win the Cup in the next few seasons and they decide to rebuild, I would 100% want him to be the one tearing it down and giving it another go.

[Flamesfan05]

No, if the team failed, Treliving needs to go. No redo.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, Treliving's weaknesses were coaching hires, struggled to nail down a #1 goalie and bad high price UFA signings.

Now he has Sutter, Markstrom and his last three big UFA signings were Tanev, Markstrom and Coleman.

Plus he hasn't made a crappy trade since the Hamonic misstep, and that was like 4 years ago.

The last two full non-COVID seasons his teams have won the division with 106 and 111 points.

The guy has learned a lot, seems to be well respected and the rabbit he pulled out of the hat this off season from hell is impressive.

If this core can't get over the hump and win the Cup in the next few seasons and they decide to rebuild, I would 100% want him to be the one tearing it down and giving it another go.

Additional to this - Let’s not forget you can’t compare his moves to the perfect optimal move in each situation that we can look back on- you have to compare him to his peers and I think he far exceeds what his peers do.

Posters talk about results orientation assessment of Brad. And it’s a fair point to bring up.

But hockey isn’t a typical business. It’s got more fluke, luck and other factors. Not to mention profitability is 100% discounted by the fans.

He’s keeping the team competing year after year - which is probably more important to ownership then a championship (not that a championship isn’t important and also increases profits). I don’t know for sure but I don’t think edwards would of agreed to tear it down this year and have crap years for a much higher chance at the cup 5 years from now

Fans and owners priority’s don’t always go hand in hand. He resports to the ownership.

Let’s be frank - if you’re categorizing the flames as a business- they are a steady state business

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm going to say this on behalf of Cali and myself.

Context is difficult for people isn't it. People got their panties in a knot over the "#### you money" comment. Well, here is the position of "#### you money" explained.

NSFW!

It's not about having a lot of money, its about having enough money. Its about knowing what is going to be enough to where you don't have to put up with other people's bull####. I've worked for 40+ years and have my "#### you" money. Is it a lot of money? To some, yes. More money than they will see in their lifetimes. To some, it's not even couch change. But to me, it's enough to say "#### you" and live comfortably for the rest of my life.
Everyone should strive for this and make sure they have this in place. Once you have that, you're working for yourself and no one else. You are in the position of "#### you."

Enjoy your Kraft Dinner, and your crappy Pixel 3a phone. I think the first explains the latter. /snark (Sorry, man you made that too easy.)

On the topic of Treliving's performance, answer a simple question. Is the organization in better shape now than when he took over? If you believe it is, extend him. If it isn't, he is in a position to be fired. Frankly, IMO, the team is in worse shape. The minor league team is weaker. The NHL team is no better and possibly worse. The outcomes have been poor as a whole. A single trip to the second round - and getting blown out by the provincial rival who has a much weaker team - is not the measure that instills confidence. To me, he has until the start of the season to improve the team and getting it rolling. If this team underperforms out of the gate, Treliving should be given the full Marc Bergevin treatment and be gone by New Years.

Lol, when Treliving took over our roster was terrible. The NHL team is way better and the AHL team just had a monster season as well. He inherited little in the way of value. Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Gio and Brodie. He inherited no one on our current blueline. Our blueline is top 3 in the league. He just went through losing two very good players but transformed the Tkachuk situation into a masterpiece. Our goaltending situation looks very strong, both now and in the future. Ridiculous take.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm going to say this on behalf of Cali and myself.

Context is difficult for people isn't it. People got their panties in a knot over the "#### you money" comment. Well, here is the position of "#### you money" explained.

NSFW!

It's not about having a lot of money, its about having enough money. Its about knowing what is going to be enough to where you don't have to put up with other people's bull####. I've worked for 40+ years and have my "#### you" money. Is it a lot of money? To some, yes. More money than they will see in their lifetimes. To some, it's not even couch change. But to me, it's enough to say "#### you" and live comfortably for the rest of my life.
Everyone should strive for this and make sure they have this in place. Once you have that, you're working for yourself and no one else. You are in the position of "#### you."

Enjoy your Kraft Dinner, and your crappy Pixel 3a phone. I think the first explains the latter. /snark (Sorry, man you made that too easy.)

On the topic of Treliving's performance, answer a simple question. Is the organization in better shape now than when he took over? If you believe it is, extend him. If it isn't, he is in a position to be fired. Frankly, IMO, the team is in worse shape. The minor league team is weaker. The NHL team is no better and possibly worse. The outcomes have been poor as a whole. A single trip to the second round - and getting blown out by the provincial rival who has a much weaker team - is not the measure that instills confidence. To me, he has until the start of the season to improve the team and getting it rolling. If this team underperforms out of the gate, Treliving should be given the full Marc Bergevin treatment and be gone by New Years.

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Lol, when Treliving took over our roster was terrible. The NHL team is way better and the AHL team just had a monster season as well. He inherited little in the way of value. Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Gio and Brodie. He inherited no one on our current blueline. Our blueline is top 3 in the league. He just went through losing two very good players but transformed the Tkachuk situation into a masterpiece. Our goaltending situation looks very strong, both now and in the future. Ridiculous take.

What I recall is that the Flames were picked by many to be in the McDavid sweepstakes in 14/15. That team caught lightning in a bottle.

The 21/22 Flames were picked to win the cup by various insiders/journalists/media types etc. I believe the betting odds had the Flames at 3rd best odds to win it all.

Suggesting these two teams are the same, or they were better then than they are now, is completely disingenuous. The Flames are in far better position today than the were in 14/15. Willfully obtuse to suggest otherwise.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

What I recall is that the Flames were picked by many to be in the McDavid sweepstakes in 14/15. That team caught lightning in a bottle.

The 21/22 Flames were picked to win the cup by various insiders/journalists/media types etc. I believe the betting odds were they listed as 3rd best odds to win it all.

Suggesting these two teams are the same is completely disingenuous. The Flames are in far better position today than the were in 14/15. Willfully obtuse to suggest otherwise.

What journalistic outlet picked the Flames to be Stanley Cup champions in August of 2021? Does one even exist? I suspect that at the exact time of last year that the Flames had peak Stanley Cup betting odds last year, nobody was picking the 14/15 Flames to be in the McDavid sweepstakes in 14/15.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What journalistic outlet picked the Flames to be Stanley Cup champions in August of 2021? Does one even exist? I suspect that at the exact time of last year that the Flames had peak Stanley Cup betting odds last year, nobody was picking the 14/15 Flames to be in the McDavid sweepstakes in 14/15.

August 2021? None that I am aware of. But I can say Greg Wyshinsky had them winning it all headed into the playoffs. I don’t think he was alone either.

Flames weren’t in on the McDavid sweepstakes? They picked 4th overall the year before. Perhaps I’m wrong, going from memory here, but I definitely recall the Flames listed as a bottom tier team headed into that season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What journalistic outlet picked the Flames to be Stanley Cup champions in August of 2021? Does one even exist? I suspect that at the exact time of last year that the Flames had peak Stanley Cup betting odds last year, nobody was picking the 14/15 Flames to be in the McDavid sweepstakes in 14/15.

Flames were absolutely picked in the McDavid sweeps as they were in year 3 of a tear down rebuild where they got basically nothing for Iggy, Kipper, Bouw, Cammy, Tangs.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm going to say this on behalf of Cali and myself.

Context is difficult for people isn't it. People got their panties in a knot over the "#### you money" comment. Well, here is the position of "#### you money" explained.

NSFW!

It's not about having a lot of money, its about having enough money. Its about knowing what is going to be enough to where you don't have to put up with other people's bull####. I've worked for 40+ years and have my "#### you" money. Is it a lot of money? To some, yes. More money than they will see in their lifetimes. To some, it's not even couch change. But to me, it's enough to say "#### you" and live comfortably for the rest of my life.
Everyone should strive for this and make sure they have this in place. Once you have that, you're working for yourself and no one else. You are in the position of "#### you."

Enjoy your Kraft Dinner, and your crappy Pixel 3a phone. I think the first explains the latter. /snark (Sorry, man you made that too easy.)

On the topic of Treliving's performance, answer a simple question. Is the organization in better shape now than when he took over? If you believe it is, extend him. If it isn't, he is in a position to be fired. Frankly, IMO, the team is in worse shape. The minor league team is weaker. The NHL team is no better and possibly worse. The outcomes have been poor as a whole. A single trip to the second round - and getting blown out by the provincial rival who has a much weaker team - is not the measure that instills confidence. To me, he has until the start of the season to improve the team and getting it rolling. If this team underperforms out of the gate, Treliving should be given the full Marc Bergevin treatment and be gone by New Years.

How many times do you have to post about your F you money? The few people I know that have F you money are on a yacht enjoying their summer not online telling everyone about how much money they have.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SaskyFlamesFan

This thread has gotten very weird very quickly, are we really comparing career earnings amongst ourselves

Pretty sure only two people decided to talk about their earnings. The rest are enjoying themselves at their expense.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What journalistic outlet picked the Flames to be Stanley Cup champions in August of 2021? Does one even exist? I suspect that at the exact time of last year that the Flames had peak Stanley Cup betting odds last year, nobody was picking the 14/15 Flames to be in the McDavid sweepstakes in 14/15.

Who said anything about August 2021? He said "the 21/22 Flames," and he is obviously talking about the tail-end of the season and heading into the playoffs.

Maybe the reason some people want Treliving fired is because they can't read?

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[dammage79]

Tree has proven to be the long fuse on a stick of dynamite. You see it being lit and then you wait and wait and wait and at some point you think you should leave the safety of the bunker to see if the fuse is still lit and then you second guess it and wait and wait and wait and finally you get so sick of waiting you're ready to risk it al and as you step out of the bunker it goes off.


I think tree has the toughest skin of all the the GMs in the business. He's watched the apocalypse approach and just as it's about to hit, he slowly reaches into his pocket, throws on some sunglasses and extinguishes it .

I wanted him gone after the Johnny thing as it just seemed like he was hamstrung. Then Tkachuk says he's leaving and I had massive doubts that he could do anything and then Bam. He Bit** slapped us all into some common sense.

With a sly smirk he calmly said, I got this.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Who said anything about August 2021? He said "the 21/22 Flames," and he is obviously talking about the tail-end of the season and heading into the playoffs.

Maybe the reason some people want Treliving fired is because they can't read?

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Well at the tail end of the 14/15 season the Flames had a ticket to the dance and had a chance at winning the Cup. They proceeded to have the best winning percentage in those playoffs of any team since 2004. Surely you would admit that when reading (which you profess to be able to do) that one should compare apples to apples.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Tree has proven to be the long fuse on a stick of dynamite. You see it being lit and then you wait and wait and wait and at some point you think you should leave the safety of the bunker to see if the fuse is still lit and then you second guess it and wait and wait and wait and finally you get so sick of waiting you're ready to risk it al and as you step out of the bunker it goes off.


I think tree has the toughest skin of all the the GMs in the business. He's watched the apocalypse approach and just as it's about to hit, he slowly reaches into his pocket, throws on some sunglasses and extinguishes it .

I wanted him gone after the Johnny thing as it just seemed like he was hamstrung. Then Tkachuk says he's leaving and I had massive doubts that he could do anything and then Bam. He Bit** slapped us all into some common sense.

With a sly smirk he calmly said, I got this.

That’s nice, but frankly it relies on the existence of that beautiful man Bill Zito

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

How many times do you have to post about your F you money? The few people I know that have F you money are on a yacht enjoying their summer not online telling everyone about how much money they have.

I've seen more than a few times in my life that those who actually have that, never talk about it. The ones that do volunteer the info, typically don't.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well at the tail end of the 14/15 season the Flames had a ticket to the dance and had a chance at winning the Cup. They proceeded to have the best winning percentage in those playoffs of any team since 2004. Surely you would admit that when reading (which you profess to be able to do) that one should compare apples to apples.

To be clear; I was responding to the point that Lanny had made that the team Treliving inherited is better than the one he has today. Take whatever snap shot in time you want between now and then and I’ll still find that argument ridiculous and anyone who has two brain cells to rub together should be able agree whether they think Treliving should be fired, or not.

As I said, it’s a disingenuous position to take and anyone who would say otherwise is either playing the part of a contrarian, or so diluted by their own thinking about how hockey management is actually carried out should probably be discredited. Easily one of the worst takes one can come across on this board these days.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I've seen more than a few times in my life that those who actually have that, never talk about it. The ones that do volunteer the info, typically don't.

To add to this, there are some caveats we should all bear in mind when posting anonymously on an anonymous message board:

1. Every single one of us thinks that we are really good at our jobs whether or not this is actually true.

2. Every one of us thinks that we are good people who make tough decisions on the basis of our own self-perceived altruism. Again, regardless of whether this is actually true.

This is why bragging about such things in this context looks as ridiculous as it does, and why these two posters are now getting blasted for it. Virtually all of us could make posts about what awesome people we are, but most of us don't because at the heart of it, we are smart enough to recognise that we're not actually all that special.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TOfan

...As I said, it’s a disingenuous position to take and anyone who would say otherwise is either playing the part of a contrarian, or so diluted by their own thinking about how hockey management is actually carried out should probably be discredited...

"Deluded." Although maybe this is better?


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[Coach]

I think we should take this all the way. Pony up, gents. Let’s see those bank statements.

[Locke]

I have been firmly on the 'Fire Brad Treliving' bandwagon for quite some time.

I've made my points and position clear, I dont think he's bad at what he does, quite the contrary, I think he's done an excellent job, but at some point one has to acknowledge that he's not going to be the guy that takes what he's built over-the-top to something bigger.

But within the context of the last few pages of this thread....Treliving isnt the one who needs to go...

What the hell happened in here?