Brad Treliving needs to go

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I want the people in here who still want Brad gone to explain what Brad could’ve done to make both Johnny and Matthew want to re-sign

It’s not about how he could have made them resign. It’s about bringing new ideas to the table. Those players didn’t see this team in their future. Probably didn’t think they were gonna be a playoff contender.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

It’s not about how he could have made them resign. It’s about bringing new ideas to the table. Those players didn’t see this team in their future. Probably didn’t think they were gonna be a playoff contender.

That doesn't seem to be the reason why they left. They left because they were making decisions about where they wanted to live.

[BlindMilwaukee]

My own assumption is they both wanted to be back in the US. Likely fueled by Covid.

How does Brad get around that? Or any NHL GM?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

That’s fine, but your logic is flawed in regards to evaluating his performance. For starters BT wasn’t hired until after we missed inn2014, so that’s not him.

Less than half the teams in the NHL make the playoffs each year. But we’ll round up to say average is 50%. The Flames have made the playoffs 5/8 seasons under BT. So he’s at 62%, that’s better than average.

Only 25% of teams win a round each year. Meaning a team should win a 1st round 1 in every 4 years. BT has done exactly that. So not under performing.

Averages suggest you should make the conference finals 1 in 8 years. We have failed to do that, so fair ball.

But the above IMO doesn’t account for the fact BT didn’t inherit an average NHL team. He came on board to IMO one of the worst rosters in the NHL, and he’s got a small market Canadian club. IMO your stats actually point to above average performance.

This is incorrect:


16 of 32 teams make the playoffs as of last season, so exactly half. No need to round. Before last season, 16 out of 31 teams made it - so more than half the teams made the playoffs. Before Vegas, it was 16 out of 30.


As well, let's make the argument even more correct. In the west right now, how many teams are competing for a playoff spot? Do you include the obvious rebuilding teams Arizona and Chicago? What about Seattle?



So taking the above, do you still feel that the Flames have been "above average"? I surely don't.


Also, by your logic, Treliving got hired and took over one of the worst rosters in the NHL. However, Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Giordano, etc., got them to the 2nd round - so above average by your standards, no? That was the first season for Treliving. If the roster was so bad, how is this explained?


I think there are posters here who simply want blood. I don't think these posters should be taken seriously. Likewise, there are posters who come in with a bunch of insults whenever someone makes an argument for change - ignore these posters as well as I also think they are a complete waste of time engaging with.


The truth is somewhere in the middle. Treliving is not beyond reproach as this team has NOT been a successful playoff team by any definition. They have not been a regular playoff team, they have not gotten out of the 1st round regularly, and they have not won more than a single game in the 2nd round in the entirety of Treliving's tenure. I think his job security SHOULD start being questioned.


Treliving has also done lots of great things too. He has been far from a terrible GM - some people have short memories or don't look around the league at how other teams are being managed, and they are over-eager with their blood lust. Treliving has had a number of 'out of the ball park' successes under his tenure too. That's what makes the argument and argument.



Lots of strawmen arguments on both sides that I don't pay attention to. Lots of good discussion in the middle I think.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

My own assumption is they both wanted to be back in the US. Likely fueled by Covid.

How does Brad get around that? Or any NHL GM?

Just them?

What other allstars in a Canadian franchise asked to leave?

Because Alberta was probably one of the most lenient on Covid restrictions.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This is incorrect:


16 of 32 teams make the playoffs as of last season, so exactly half. No need to round. Before last season, 16 out of 31 teams made it - so more than half the teams made the playoffs. Before Vegas, it was 16 out of 30.


As well, let's make the argument even more correct. In the west right now, how many teams are competing for a playoff spot? Do you include the obvious rebuilding teams Arizona and Chicago? What about Seattle?



So taking the above, do you still feel that the Flames have been "above average"? I surely don't.


Also, by your logic, Treliving got hired and took over one of the worst rosters in the NHL. However, Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Giordano, etc., got them to the 2nd round - so above average by your standards, no? That was the first season for Treliving. If the roster was so bad, how is this explained?


I think there are posters here who simply want blood. I don't think these posters should be taken seriously. Likewise, there are posters who come in with a bunch of insults whenever someone makes an argument for change - ignore these posters as well as I also think they are a complete waste of time engaging with.


The truth is somewhere in the middle. Treliving is not beyond reproach as this team has NOT been a successful playoff team by any definition. They have not been a regular playoff team, they have not gotten out of the 1st round regularly, and they have not won more than a single game in the 2nd round in the entirety of Treliving's tenure. I think his job security SHOULD start being questioned.


Treliving has also done lots of great things too. He has been far from a terrible GM - some people have short memories or don't look around the league at how other teams are being managed, and they are over-eager with their blood lust. Treliving has had a number of 'out of the ball park' successes under his tenure too. That's what makes the argument and argument.



Lots of strawmen arguments on both sides that I don't pay attention to. Lots of good discussion in the middle I think.

I don’t want blood, I want positive change. And if Brad Treliving is the right guy for the job, then I think we will see it. And if not, then we’ll just see what happens next off season.

I just want to see my team succeed because I ####ing love Calgary and I love my flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

It’s not about how he could have made them resign. It’s about bringing new ideas to the table. Those players didn’t see this team in their future. Probably didn’t think they were gonna be a playoff contender.

Lol is this a joke?

CBJ is a playoff contender? Panthers have won one round since the mid 90s

They left because of geography, there is no other argument

[BlindMilwaukee]

I'd say just give it time. I'm not about to guess at who will want to be on a new team but I also don't think Johnny and Matthew wanting to head south is going to be some crazy outlier.

The players in Alberta also had to cross the American border not just into other provinces.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol is this a joke?

CBJ is a playoff contender? Panthers have won one round since the mid 90s

They left because of geography, there is no other argument

Okay

[Timbo]

Fire Brad into the sun! It’s been what 30 hours since his last significant signing.

Deplorable work.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This is incorrect:


16 of 32 teams make the playoffs as of last season, so exactly half. No need to round. Before last season, 16 out of 31 teams made it - so more than half the teams made the playoffs. Before Vegas, it was 16 out of 30.


As well, let's make the argument even more correct. In the west right now, how many teams are competing for a playoff spot? Do you include the obvious rebuilding teams Arizona and Chicago? What about Seattle?



So taking the above, do you still feel that the Flames have been "above average"? I surely don't.


Also, by your logic, Treliving got hired and took over one of the worst rosters in the NHL. However, Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Giordano, etc., got them to the 2nd round - so above average by your standards, no? That was the first season for Treliving. If the roster was so bad, how is this explained?


I think there are posters here who simply want blood. I don't think these posters should be taken seriously. Likewise, there are posters who come in with a bunch of insults whenever someone makes an argument for change - ignore these posters as well as I also think they are a complete waste of time engaging with.


The truth is somewhere in the middle. Treliving is not beyond reproach as this team has NOT been a successful playoff team by any definition. They have not been a regular playoff team, they have not gotten out of the 1st round regularly, and they have not won more than a single game in the 2nd round in the entirety of Treliving's tenure. I think his job security SHOULD start being questioned.


Treliving has also done lots of great things too. He has been far from a terrible GM - some people have short memories or don't look around the league at how other teams are being managed, and they are over-eager with their blood lust. Treliving has had a number of 'out of the ball park' successes under his tenure too. That's what makes the argument and argument.



Lots of strawmen arguments on both sides that I don't pay attention to. Lots of good discussion in the middle I think.

Nothing straw about the argument, until you start saying things like, but they made the 2nd round in year one, so then……. That was clearly an over achievement likely, just as maybe some of the lesser achievements were under achievements. Point being you gave to take the full picture, good, bad, the good luck and the bad luck.

Overall under BT the Flames are likely average to better than average re: what should be expected if he’d inherited an average team. I believe he inherited a team fresh off its previous core expiring and a team that simply let it expire vs maximizing assets. So he inherited a bad team.

Point being, anyone who’s expected much more than what we’ve got under BT expects too much too soon. BT has been far from error free, but he’s done a good job and IMO is getting better.

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

A third of the way to redemption. Treliving gets credit for getting Huberdeau inked, but still work to do. Needs to get Weegar signed long term and then find another forward to replace Tkachuk. Doesn't need to be a high priced guy, as Huberdeau has made some really middling talent in Florida look really good, just needs to be a guy that can finish. Beaulliver on the Islanders or Bratt on the Devils makes the most sense IMO. Move Lucic for cap space then trade a defenseman for one of these forwards (or a similar player) and his work will be done and he will be a wizard. Still work to do, but looking a lot more promising than it did even a week ago.

You have some serious crow to eat, sir. We fleeced the Panthers in the trade and BT is chipping away at the contracts.

Thanksgiving is still a long way off, but I'm thankful for the ignore list (newly discovered) and our GM.

Someone kindly close this thread. Brad Treliving is a stud and we're lucky to have him.

[FanIn80]

I petition we rename this thread to "Brad Treliving needs to stay."

[Sofa GM]

Brad Treliving is a very good Hockey GM. End of story….

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Caboose

I was going to argue because I disagree with you and I genuinely think Treliving is doing a good job, but then I remembered that I don't make very much money and you make lots and lots of money, so it's likely that I'm a broke, poor fool with rocks in my head and you are always correct!

If you'll excuse me, I'll be eating Kraft Dinner and watching sports news through someone else's window and hoping they leave the closed captioning on.

Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

I'm going to say this on behalf of Cali and myself.

Context is difficult for people isn't it. People got their panties in a knot over the "#### you money" comment. Well, here is the position of "#### you money" explained.

NSFW!

It's not about having a lot of money, its about having enough money. Its about knowing what is going to be enough to where you don't have to put up with other people's bull####. I've worked for 40+ years and have my "#### you" money. Is it a lot of money? To some, yes. More money than they will see in their lifetimes. To some, it's not even couch change. But to me, it's enough to say "#### you" and live comfortably for the rest of my life.
Everyone should strive for this and make sure they have this in place. Once you have that, you're working for yourself and no one else. You are in the position of "#### you."

Enjoy your Kraft Dinner, and your crappy Pixel 3a phone. I think the first explains the latter. /snark (Sorry, man you made that too easy.)

On the topic of Treliving's performance, answer a simple question. Is the organization in better shape now than when he took over? If you believe it is, extend him. If it isn't, he is in a position to be fired. Frankly, IMO, the team is in worse shape. The minor league team is weaker. The NHL team is no better and possibly worse. The outcomes have been poor as a whole. A single trip to the second round - and getting blown out by the provincial rival who has a much weaker team - is not the measure that instills confidence. To me, he has until the start of the season to improve the team and getting it rolling. If this team underperforms out of the gate, Treliving should be given the full Marc Bergevin treatment and be gone by New Years.

[Strange Brew]

The old double down.

The two of you are being ribbed because you decided to talk about your own money, success and good deeds.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm going to say this on behalf of Cali and myself.

Context is difficult for people isn't it. People got their panties in a knot over the "#### you money" comment. Well, here is the position of "#### you money" explained.

NSFW!

It's not about having a lot of money, its about having enough money. Its about knowing what is going to be enough to where you don't have to put up with other people's bull####. I've worked for 40+ years and have my "#### you" money. Is it a lot of money? To some, yes. More money than they will see in their lifetimes. To some, it's not even couch change. But to me, it's enough to say "#### you" and live comfortably for the rest of my life.
Everyone should strive for this and make sure they have this in place. Once you have that, you're working for yourself and no one else. You are in the position of "#### you."

Enjoy your Kraft Dinner, and your crappy Pixel 3a phone. I think the first explains the latter. /snark (Sorry, man you made that too easy.)

On the topic of Treliving's performance, answer a simple question. Is the organization in better shape now than when he took over? If you believe it is, extend him. If it isn't, he is in a position to be fired. Frankly, IMO, the team is in worse shape. The minor league team is weaker. The NHL team is no better and possibly worse. The outcomes have been poor as a whole. A single trip to the second round - and getting blown out by the provincial rival who has a much weaker team - is not the measure that instills confidence. To me, he has until the start of the season to improve the team and getting it rolling. If this team underperforms out of the gate, Treliving should be given the full Marc Bergevin treatment and be gone by New Years.

[bax]

Anybody who uses the term “#### you money” to describe their own financial situation is objectively lame

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bax

Anybody who uses the term “#### you money” to describe their own financial situation is objectively lame

Same kind of person who uses “Google-foo” to describe researching something on the internet… probably.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Same kind of person who uses “Google-foo” to describe researching something on the internet… probably.

No where near as lame as someone who equates doing "research" with using google to stay one step ahead in a discussion.