[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by GGG

I have been thinking about this for a while and I think we underestimate Trumps charisma. His ability to effectively propagandize to the point where he convinced 50% of republicans that the election was rigged. This might be the much harder skill than being an effective authoritarian.

I think the mini trumps will see far less success in the future than Trump did.

I don't think it is so much his charisma that worked. I think he was the first candidate that just ignored scandals and pretended they didn't exist or matter. Any number of things he said on the campaign trail in 2016 would have ended other politicians careers. But because Trump made a career out of spewing b.s. and ignoring the truth, he was able to just roll right past the controversy. Once he realized he could say or do anything, he was able to say things voters wanted to hear no matter how ridiculous or unrealistic.

So I think people are right when they say someone else that is willing to be as despicable of a candidate as Trump can do a lot of damage if they have an actual agenda or angle. Trumps angle was inflating his ego. But there are plenty of people out there willing to say or do anything to further their cause.

The only thing somewhat unique about Trump is he has no shame. But we already have others in congress like McConnel or Nunes or Cruz that are pretty much at that level as well.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The meltdown as Trump supporters start to realize that there was no plan and Trump is, in fact, a complete moron babyman is wild.

NSFW for swears. Make sure you look at the whole thread, because uh, some people are getting an FBI visit over this.

NSFW!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1331019823262953472

That last line...so soothing.

[calumniate]

Hopefully the dems are fired up for the runoffs! A little right wing disillusionment won't hurt either

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I don't think it is so much his charisma that worked. I think he was the first candidate that just ignored scandals and pretended they didn't exist or matter. Any number of things he said on the campaign trail in 2016 would have ended other politicians careers. But because Trump made a career out of spewing b.s. and ignoring the truth, he was able to just roll right past the controversy. Once he realized he could say or do anything, he was able to say things voters wanted to hear no matter how ridiculous or unrealistic.

So I think people are right when they say someone else that is willing to be as despicable of a candidate as Trump can do a lot of damage if they have an actual agenda or angle. Trumps angle was inflating his ego. But there are plenty of people out there willing to say or do anything to further their cause.

The only thing somewhat unique about Trump is he has no shame. But we already have others in congress like McConnel or Nunes or Cruz that are pretty much at that level as well.

That is definitely the damage he did..

The shattering of norms and the absense of remorse when caught both can be replicated.

What can’t is the Trump rally. I would argue that the pied piper affect of him is not replicable. I know there is a lot of disagreement in the Trump was a savant argument but I don’t think Mcconnal or Cruz could shoot someone in 5th avenue and have them applaud. They will always be of the political class. Trump was able to convince 50 million (20 million just wanted tax cuts) people that he was just like them when instead he was the most silver spooned person in recent history in office.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GGG

I have been thinking about this for a while and I think we underestimate Trumps charisma. His ability to effectively propagandize to the point where he convinced 50% of republicans that the election was rigged. This might be the much harder skill than being an effective authoritarian.

I think the mini trumps will see far less success in the future than Trump did.

I always thought that Trump used the typical authoritarian's tactics. Enabled division and hate. His supporters don't like him for what he does for them, he's really done little, they love him for hating the same people they do. Immigrants, muslims, blacks, dems, intellectuals etc. He mobilized these smaller groups in to one large voting mass.

The GOP exploited that by staffing courts with unqualified stooges and giving money to their rich buddies in the name of reforms without any fallout. When questioned, they will blame that crazy one term President Trump.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by 868904

I hate Trump but I’d do anything for Ivanka.

"She's a Nazi, George! A Nazi!"

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 868904

I hate Trump but I’d do anything for Ivanka.

You're not on her team.

[Flashpoint]

In “Oh God Yes Please!!!” news...

Roger Stone-Tied Group Threatens GOP: If Trump Goes Down, So Does Your Senate Majority

Conservative operatives and a super PAC with ties to infamous GOP dirty trickster Roger Stone are calling for Trump supporters to punish Republicans by sitting out Georgia’s crucial Senate runoffs or writing in Trump’s name instead. And though their efforts remain on the party’s fringes, the trajectory of the movement has Republicans fearful that it could cost the GOP control of the Senate.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-...enate-majority

[Sliver]

How did Roger Stone score that cutesy name "trickster". Sounds like he's just a little rascal getting up to mischief!

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

In “Oh God Yes Please!!!” news...



https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-...enate-majority

Isn't Daily Beast a tabloid, on the same level as National Enquirer?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

In “Oh God Yes Please!!!” news...



https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-...enate-majority

I see more and more chatter of Trump supporters saying they won't vote in the GA senate elections, or other elections because they thing their vote will get changed by the Dominion machines. That would be rather hilarious if Trump's conspiracy peddling has convinced some Republicans to stop voting.

[FanIn80]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1331026176597483520

https://twitter.com/user/status/1331027730528350212

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Sliver

How did Roger Stone score that cutesy name "trickster". Sounds like he's just a little rascal getting up to mischief!

Rich WHITE guy, so kid gloves when describing his criminality.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I see more and more chatter of Trump supporters saying they won't vote in the GA senate elections, or other elections because they thing their vote will get changed by the Dominion machines. That would be rather hilarious if Trump's conspiracy peddling has convinced some Republicans to stop voting.

Somewhat funny, sure, but also sad and, potentially extremely dangerous.

He's got plenty of fans who might go for their guns instead.

[dino7c]

Vote machines print a ballot for you to confirm and then you hand in the ballot. They have matched the printed ballots with the numbers from the digital count, twice.

God people are stupid

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Isn't Daily Beast a tabloid, on the same level as National Enquirer?

Maybe, but it's not terribly difficult to verify the story.

https://www.writeintrumpforgeorgiasenate.com/

If you prefer Newsweek:
https://www.newsweek.com/parler-cens...ashtag-1549891

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I see more and more chatter of Trump supporters saying they won't vote in the GA senate elections, or other elections because they thing their vote will get changed by the Dominion machines. That would be rather hilarious if Trump's conspiracy peddling has convinced some Republicans to stop voting.

The GOP losing those senate seats would be the ultimate poetic justice for their complicit silence over these last 4 years. The meltdown would be glorious.

Also, what I wouldn't give to see the looks on McConnell and Graham's faces if that happens.

[rubecube]

Great news, gang, we did it! Job well done.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1331307848647761925

[direwolf]

Pennsylvania officially certifies Biden as the winner. It's finally over.

https://apnews.com/article/election-...db13fa8e7c3019

Democrat Joe Biden was certified Tuesday as winner of the presidential election in Pennsylvania, culminating three weeks of vote counting and a string of failed legal challenges by President Donald Trump.

Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf first disclosed in a tweet that the Department of State had certified the vote count for president and vice president.

Wolf sent a “certificate of ascertainment” to the national archivist Washington with the slate of electors who support President-elect Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.

Pennsylvania’s 20 electors, a mix of elected Democrats, party activists and other staunch Biden backers, will meet in the state Capitol on Dec. 14.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Its over when the house certifies the results of the Electoral College.

I mean sure, there isn't really any avenue left but its not technically over.