[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[MoneyGuy]

Isn’t Trump planning his inauguration to compete with the real one or has he put a halt to that futile gesture?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Isn’t Trump planning his inauguration to compete with the real one or has he put a halt to that futile gesture?

Some think he will resign now, and leave Pence to handle the lame duck period.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by troutman

Some think he will resign now, and leave Pence to handle the lame duck period.

He probably should.

No transition is probably better than one involving Trump in the room. Biden probably already knows more than Trump about what is going on and what needs to happen. Working with Biden will just expose to his family just how terrible Trump really is in comparison to Biden (or anyone for that matter).

[hummdeedoo]

Originally Posted by troutman

Some think he will resign now, and leave Pence to handle the lame duck period.

I think he resigns before Jan 20 to get his Pence Pardon.

But I think he sticks around a bit longer to continue salting the earth.

Record number of golf outings will continue.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by hummdeedoo

I think he resigns before Jan 20 to get his Pence Pardon.

But I think he sticks around a bit longer to continue salting the earth.

Wouldn't he need to be convicted of something in order to get a pardon or can you get a preventative pardon for future convictions?

[hummdeedoo]

Originally Posted by KTrain

Wouldn't he need to be convicted of something in order to get a pardon or can you get a preventative pardon for future convictions?

From wikipedia:

The pardon of Richard Nixon (formally known as Proclamation 4311) was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974. By it, Ford granted to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[1][2]

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by KTrain

Wouldn't he need to be convicted of something in order to get a pardon or can you get a preventative pardon for future convictions?

No, Nixon was pardoned for Watergate even though he wasn't convicted of a crime.

Accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt though. I'm not sure Trump would be willing to accept that.

[hummdeedoo]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

No, Nixon was pardoned for Watergate even though he wasn't convicted of a crime.

Accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt though. I'm not sure Trump would be willing to accept that.

Very interesting point.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

No, Nixon was pardoned for Watergate even though he wasn't convicted of a crime.



Accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt though. I'm not sure Trump would be willing to accept that.

Trumps world is an altered reality where the deep state is trying to destroy an American President who fights for America first. He would accept the pardon, then say he did nothing wrong, but accepted the pardon, so he could run in 2024, and fight for Americans against the lizard people.

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[calumniate]

Waiting for Rudy to confirm

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by hummdeedoo

From wikipedia:

The pardon of Richard Nixon (formally known as Proclamation 4311) was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974. By it, Ford granted to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[1][2]

Since a pardon means the person is guilty, doesn’t that make Nixon guilty of literally everything?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt though. I'm not sure Trump would be willing to accept that.

As was suggested, he'll just take a page from disgraced Sheriff Joe Arpaio's playbook and pretend that isn't true.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by rubecube

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_B...dministrations



Gross.



Uh...I support working with the PKK but how does that fit in with the working effectively with Erdogan part?

85, 000 children starved to death

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine...2%80%93present)

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

No, Nixon was pardoned for Watergate even though he wasn't convicted of a crime.

Accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt though. I'm not sure Trump would be willing to accept that.

Very important to note that the pardon was never challenged in court so we don't know if it was valid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

Very important to note that the pardon was never challenged in court so we don't know if it was valid.

And I think it has been said, he can only be pardoned for things on the federal level. Some of the charges coming down will be at the state level.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by New Era

For anyone hoping for that sweeping progressive agenda, don't hold your breath. The electorate wants nothing to do with it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1330951171272478720

That seems like a false choice. Though I didn’t read through the tweet to the article. But aren’t they asking between economy and health care. Why can’t both of those items be accomplished?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by GGG

That seems like a false choice. Though I didn’t read through the tweet to the article. But aren’t they asking between economy and health care. Why can’t both of those items be accomplished?

Exactly. Would you rather the Flames win or the Oilers lose? Why not both?

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Titan

I agree with the sentiment but I think a lot of credit has to go to US democracy, hopefully not prematurely.

It has withstood an unprecedented attack from within and managed to deliver a legitimate result. Yes, it received a significant black eye but it won in the end. In a somewhat bizarre way, I am actually proud of US democracy. It did what it claims it is supposed to do.

This process uncovered many warts that need to be addressed with specific legislation. For example, why is the certification of a state's election a party-line issue? That should be a simple administrative process without discretion. The US has far too many 'norms' in its process, but that can be fixed.

The GSA has now approved transition funds and I see now the Orange Dingleberry has now authorized the transition to begin. We are near the end of this bizarre episode.

Man, I wish I could share your optimistic view.



As I see it, US democracy is lucky that it was not under assault from a planned and organized fascist or authoritarian scheme. Trump is basically a virus that exposed all the weaknesses in the democratic immune system, but he is not a virus that was designed to be fatal to that system. Had he and the people surrounding him intended from the outset to destroy the US democratic system, I think he/they could have done it. Look at the damage he did in only 4 years, much of which was spent tweeting, golfing, watching TV.



If the next Republican president comes in with Trump's charisma but Stephen Miller's ambitions and mindset - and has the benefit of a majority in the senate - I think the US has proven it can be dismantled quite effectively.



Even Trump himself could have done it if he'd won another term and had an ongoing motive to do so.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Man, I wish I could share your optimistic view.



As I see it, US democracy is lucky that it was not under assault from a planned and organized fascist or authoritarian scheme. Trump is basically a virus that exposed all the weaknesses in the democratic immune system, but he is not a virus that was designed to be fatal to that system. Had he and the people surrounding him intended from the outset to destroy the US democratic system, I think he/they could have done it. Look at the damage he did in only 4 years, much of which was spent tweeting, golfing, watching TV.



If the next Republican president comes in with Trump's charisma but Stephen Miller's ambitions and mindset - and has the benefit of a majority in the senate - I think the US has proven it can be dismantled quite effectively.



Even Trump himself could have done it if he'd won another term and had an ongoing motive to do so.

I have been thinking about this for a while and I think we underestimate Trumps charisma. His ability to effectively propagandize to the point where he convinced 50% of republicans that the election was rigged. This might be the much harder skill than being an effective authoritarian.

I think the mini trumps will see far less success in the future than Trump did.

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by troutman

Some think he will resign now, and leave Pence to handle the lame duck period.

As Rudy reiterated tonight, the play is to get the the Supreme Court. I don't think he resigns until after that goes down.