Israel declares war on Hamas

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Dis you from 90 minutes ago?

That's actually a fact. The land the Jewish side was given in the partition plan was almost entirely already owned by Jewish people, with the exception of the Negev dessert.

As Beniho pointed out, much of the rest of the land was actually state owned, formerly by the Ottomans and then controlled by the British under their mandate.

Here's a link showing ownership in 1945:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/com...rship_in_1945/

The blue is Jewish ownership. Only the dark green is Arab ownership, with the majority of the land being state owned. The light green and blue is state owned and occupied. The white is state owned and Mawat (aka "Dead land"), which was a term for land that could not be occupied, as it was sand, rocks, mountains, etc..:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawat_land_doctrine

I guess my interpretation, which relies on actual facts, is a "lie", but simplifying the situation to Jews taking land from Arabs is the "truth"......

Edit: the map:



Links to less blurry versions:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ip_in_1945.png

[Zary's-Mustache]

Owned by the Ottoman the same way Canada owns our land?

So people just lived on land and couldn't sell or buy?

Canada owns 89% of all land in Canada. This doesn't mean that if Russia invaded us they can just say sorry the people living on the land didn't actually own most of the land.

It's a ridiculous notion and not even worth debating.

[Zary's-Mustache]

And a map isn't a "fact". It's just a map someone made. It still needs sources to back it up.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

And a map isn't a "fact". It's just a map someone made. It still needs sources to back it up.

The map is a compilation of contemporaneous maps and surveys:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...t_31.12.44.jpg

https://www.bjpa.org/content/upload/...%20VOL%20I.pdf

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Care to point a single "lie" I have made.

Single? Try multiple. As has been mentioned you've shamelessly lied your way through this thread.

Here's one of your more blatant ones that you were asked again and again by multiple posters to provide a source for. But which you just ran.... to your next lie.

A hospital is destroyed. Newborns are dying in incubators. Mass graves are discovered onsite. Health care workers are declaring it non operational and you try and defend the mass murder by blaming the WHO for shutting down a perfectly functional hospital.

Originally Posted by blankall

It looks like the issue with the hospitals not functioning at full capacity was resources not damage to the hospital. The hospitals now have full resources but the WHO is choosing not to keep them open.

So at the umpteenth time of asking what was your source for this lie?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Owned by the Ottoman the same way Canada owns our land?

So people just lived on land and couldn't sell or buy?

Canada owns 89% of all land in Canada. This doesn't mean that if Russia invaded us they can just say sorry the people living on the land didn't actually own most of the land.

It's a ridiculous notion and not even worth debating.

No. Canada has a title system. Where people have title to it, but the land is all (with the exception of some land owned by the railways, etc) owned by the crown.

I'm talking about actual state ownership under the formerly Ottoman fuedal system. Where the land is owned and title exclusively registered with the state. The Dark Blue and Green areas show land registered to non-state people.

Althoug the term Arab was used loosely:

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race.

This would have likely included a large number of Turks, who left after Arabs took control.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Single? Try multiple. As has been mentioned you've shamelessly lied your way through this thread.

Here's one of your more blatant ones that you were asked again and again by multiple posters to provide a source for. But which you just ran.... to your next lie.

A hospital is destroyed. Newborns are dying in incubators. Mass graves are discovered onsite. Health care workers are declaring it non operational and you try and defend the mass murder by blaming the WHO for shutting down a perfectly functional hospital.



So at the umpteenth time of asking what was your source for this lie?

The Al Shifa Hospital reopened and continued to run. There was a subsequent battle there, in early April after Hamas had retaken their old positions. I can't find anything on whether the hospital is currently running.

It's like you're not following this at all.

[activeStick]

Surprising, but happy to read this coming from Germany

https://twitter.com/user/status/1793256583461323251

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Al Shifa Hospital reopened and continued to run. There was a subsequent battle there, in early April after Hamas had retaken their old positions. I can't find anything on whether the hospital is currently running.

It's like you're not following this at all.

Do you have a source that it was never non operational and that WHO shut it down.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Do you have a source that it was never non operational and that WHO shut it down.

I can't confirm what happened to the hospital after early April. However, the hospital was not shut down prior to then.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...is-department/

Do you have any proof that it was shut down back in November?

The battle in March/April also involved more than a few militants. Hundreds or possibly thousands of militants from Hamas and PIJ were fighting around and from the hospital.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Owned by the Ottoman the same way Canada owns our land?

So people just lived on land and couldn't sell or buy?

Canada owns 89% of all land in Canada. This doesn't mean that if Russia invaded us they can just say sorry the people living on the land didn't actually own most of the land.

It's a ridiculous notion and not even worth debating.

It is a little bit more nuanced than that. By the mid 19th century the Ottoman empire was in a steep decline and initiated the 1858 land code, often leading to many Arab villages who owned their villages collectively, having to sell their land as they could not pay the high tax rate, or having their land registered under Ottoman notables, merchants, or wealthy Arab families who manipulated the system. The local Arabs who sold their land or had it taken from them from through manipulation of the system would often continue to work the land. This land code and other laws passed under the Tanzimat reforms would see the local Arab population of Palestine thrusted into impoverished conditions.

Ottoman notables, who were absentee landowners, and wealthy landowning Arab families began to sell some of this land at inflated prices in the 1880’s to early Zionists.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

I can't confirm what happened to the hospital after early April. However, the hospital was not shut down prior to then.

What do you mean it wasn't shut down prior to then?
YOU were there one claiming it was shut down prior to then by the WHO.

Originally Posted by blankall

The hospitals now have full resources but the WHO is choosing not to keep them open.

Which one is it?
The hospital wasn't shut down prior to April.
or
WHO shut it down prior to April.

[activeStick]

Canada needs to move away from their American overlords and towards the rest of the reasonable world. Good on Spain, Ireland and Norway.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1793284645947125859

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

What do you mean it wasn't shut down prior to then?
YOU were there one claiming it was shut down prior to then by the WHO.



Which one is it?
The hospital wasn't shut down prior to April.
or
WHO shut it down prior to April.

Parts of the hospital were shut down during the conflict in November. They were re-opened. From what I gathered they were shut down due to supply issues, and re-opened once that raid ended.

It's difficult to figure out exactly what is happening though.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

Parts of the hospital were shut down during the conflict in November. They were re-opened. From what I gathered they were shut down due to supply issues, and re-opened once that raid ended.

It's difficult to figure out exactly what is happening though.

lol come on man

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol come on man

I really don't see what's so funny about this.

It's fairly straight forward. Part of the hospital were shut down. during the initial raid in November. Many reopened. There was another raid in late March, after Hamas had reestablished hundreds of fighters in the site. I can't find out anything about whether the hospital has reopened.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by blankall

Parts of the hospital were shut down during the conflict in November. They were re-opened. From what I gathered they were shut down due to supply issues, and re-opened once that raid ended.

It's difficult to figure out exactly what is happening though.

Uhm, it's been blown to smithereens?


https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca...ital-in-ruins/

On 2 April 2024, a World Health Organization spokesman stated that they had contact with Al-Shifa’s staff and that, "The directors told us that Al Shifa Hospital is gone. It's no longer able to function in any shape or form as a hospital".[249] On 3 April, an UNOCHA flash update cited WHO, stating, "Al Shifa Hospital is now in ruins and no longer able to function as a hospital".[250] On 5 April 2024, a WHO-led mission visited Al-Shifa to perform an initial evaluation of the extent of destruction and to determine needs to guide efforts to restore the facility in the future. The team found most of the buildings largely damaged or destroyed and most of the equipment unusable or burned to ashes. They found explosives and fire had significantly damaged the emergency department, surgical, and maternity ward buildings. The mission said that the destruction had left the facility non-functional; short-term restoration of minimal functionality seemed implausible and would require efforts to evaluate and clear the grounds for unexploded military devices.[251]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shi...iege#Aftermath


So ya, another humanitarian disaster. Just monstrous.

[Fuzz]

And no, this wasn't difficult to find out, I googled the hospital name. Tough stuff.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

I really don't see what's so funny about this.

It's fairly straight forward. Part of the hospital were shut down. during the initial raid in November .

Ohhh. I see. PART of the hospital only was shut down. All making sense now. I'm assuming that would be the part that WHO closed?

Can you wrap the discussion up by providing a source for this? Just to show us that you're not telling more lies.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Palestinian child shot dead by Israeli sniper in the West Bank while riding his bicycle. Was shot 3 or 4 times in the head chest foot.