I mean we've all been there, The Flames haven't exactly been aspiring over the years and there's been plenty of apathy here right?
The biggest difference is that Oilers fans drink that Kool Aid down every year and most of them seem honestly bewildered at how their team can still be bad. Like, how can this be? KLown and Mac-T know a thing or two about winning, we have won several draft lotteries, and we have McJesus. Let's see... KLown and Mac-T also seem to know a thing or two about losing and never earned their positions. Winning several draft lotteries just proves a culture of losing and tanking exists. McJesus's cap hit means that there is little room for error down the rest of the line-up. Oh, and Edmonton it probably the #1 place most players do not want to play in.
It shouldn't be such a surprise to them that they suck again, but at the start of every season they expect a miracle turnaround. When the Flames were mired in mediocrity, most fans were always acutely aware of the shortcomings and not buying any Kool Aid.
Next year is going to be exactly the same thing again and likely until at least McDavid leaves and the team starts another rebuild.
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Just saw a tsn clip. Edmonton reporters repeatedly asking McDavid about the refs, basically begging him to complain about them to validate thier own pathetic keyboard opinions.
To his credit, McDavid answers correctly and doesn't take the bait.
The Edmonton media should take a page from the coach. Seriously, Hitchcock gave a great answer when asked about McDavid on After Hours. Those tweets from Edmonton media are pathetic.
And despite being pretty decisively beat last night, the delusion lives to see another day in NoGood land.
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Man that flames team is infuriating. How does tkatcuk not get a penalty for purposely falling on kosk in the first? I liked how Koskinen put his blocker on Tkachuks face to get up in the 2nd or 3rd period Koskinen with some stellar saves throughout especially the one on his back Save of the year potential for sure.
Refs just weren't calling things properly all night. Drai gets a diving penalty on the same cross check that Lucic gave Johnny crybaby, yet the baby gets nothing. Jp's interference call was absolute bs. At a critical point of the game.#
Jones cost us at least 2 goals last night. Flames 4th goal was what ended our comeback. Shame as the play was completely unnecessary.
Oilers didn't do anything well. They didn't hit well, play D well, play O well. Yet we were still in that game until the last 5 minutes, and with no contributions from the top line. I don't fear that flames team at all and I look forward to beating them in the 1st round of the playoffs.#
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In truth I think we know the Flames would be licking their chops to land the oilers in round one with that depth matchup.
I love watching the oilers fail. It will be glorious when the day finally comes where McDavid requests a trade. The more I think about it... the more likely it feels like McDavid is at most 1 year away from requesting a trade. If that comes out, the oilers will have to move him and I’m sure there’s no clear way for them to “win” the trade. Rather I’d speculate on the kind of feasible trade they could make. That means picking the right partner.
To me, here are some features of a possible trade partner for the oilers to trade McDavid:
1. Has to be an eastern team - oilers management won’t want to face the shame more than twice a season that they traded their generational lottery ticket.
2. Preferably to a team with a quieter fan/media following - This serves two purposes. First, I think these kinds of teams would be desperate to get a player of McDavid’s name and excitement value and would be willing to pay the price. Teams that need to get buts in the seats will do anything for McDavid. Even more important that building a winning team. The second reason is that management won’t want to trade him to a team like Philadelphia or New York that gets lots of media attention that would throw that stardom in the face of the oilers upon acquiring McDavid.
3. The team that trades for McDavid needs to be rich is assets that are NHL-ready but not yet a competitive team. This means a team that, like the oilers, has drafted high for years and has lots of young talent but can never make it the rest of the way.
4. The owner/management of this team that wants to acquire McDavid has to be willing to take a terrible cap dump with it... probably lucic. This is mainly because the oilers need to be able to get at least two NHL impact players back from the trade partner while also getting cap relief. McDavid + Lucic cap is about $18.5 million I believe. Let’s assume the combined cap hit of the two impact players going back to the oilers is $14 million. The goal for the oilers has to be to follow the mild of teams like Vegas, Calgary, Nashville, etc... to create a team deep with skill rather than having skill concentrated in only 2 players.
These criteria helps narrow down possible destinations for McDavid if these guidelines are accurate... teams like Carolina and Florida come to mind first.
Carolina has a wild card owner/manager that probably would do anything to get McDavid. The problem is that they don’t have much for impact players to trade. By here goes:
To Carolina:
McDavid + Lucic
To Edmonton:
Aho, Slavin, Teravainen, Svechnikov
Top 3 prospects,
3 first round picks (not lottery protected)
And here’s an attempt at a trade with Florida who have much more in terms of NHL-impact assets:
To Florida:
McDavid + Lucic
To Edmonton:
Barkov + Ekblad
Top 2 prospects
2 first round picks
Am I way off-base with these kind of trades? I really don’t know TBH. I know Edmonton will never pull off a good trade and they’ll turn anything they get into garbage anyways because E=NG.
The team with the best assets for a McDavid trade imo is the Avs. Jost, Makar, Sens 1st, Barrie and even Rantanen/Landeskog could all be pieces on the table. They would have McDavid and MacKinnon and easily have room to build around them.
10 players for McDavid? Six players for McDavid? AND eating Lucic's salary? That's hilarious. Contract limits and a salary cap make those types of deals impossible.
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...4. The owner/management of this team that wants to acquire McDavid has to be willing to take a terrible cap dump with it... probably lucic. This is mainly because the oilers need to be able to get at least two NHL impact players back from the trade partner while also getting cap relief. McDavid + Lucic cap is about $18.5 million I believe. Let’s assume the combined cap hit of the two impact players going back to the oilers is $14 million. The goal for the oilers has to be to follow the mild of teams like Vegas, Calgary, Nashville, etc... to create a team deep with skill rather than having skill concentrated in only 2 players...
Am I way off-base with these kind of trades? I really don’t know TBH. I know Edmonton will never pull off a good trade and they’ll turn anything they get into garbage anyways because E=NG.
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I don’t think there is any chance in hell that a team adding McDavid would ever concede to including Lucic. It will be difficult enough for a team to juggle the roster adequately to be able to take on McDollar’s $12.5 m cap hit. And then to add another $6.0 m of dead cap space? It will never happen.
Also, a team that trades for McDavid will need deep pockets. Both Carolina and Florida are budget teams. They are not in any position to take on the highest paid player in the world.
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Yeah if I have to add to McDavid's contract by adding Lucic and his contract, then I am getting a serious discount on McDavid.
Plus if Edmonton is trading McDavid its for a new rebuild and they're going to want a ton of entry level contracts and first round picks. If I have to do that to get McDavid and have to take Lucic, then take any first round picks out of the package.
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I don’t think there is any chance in hell that a team adding McDavid would ever concede to including Lucic. It will be difficult enough for a team to juggle the roster adequately to be able to take on McDollar’s $12.5 m cap hit. And then to add another $6.0 m of dead cap space? It will never happen.
Also, a team that trades for McDavid will need deep pockets. Both Carolina and Florida are budget teams. They are not in any position to take on the highest paid player in the world.
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It’s true that the Lucic contract is likely too immovable even when tacked onto McDavid. I think GMs for budget teams like Carolina and Florida would try to convince their owners that acquiring McDavid is a way to get more buts in the seats. Plus the salary could likely be a wash if they traded their top 2 players.
Just searched for some Kassian fight vids. All I could find were shots of him punching people in the face with his gloves on, trying to fight smaller non fighters or getting into an actual fight, and never landing a punch.
He is really no good.
He got dropped by Ryan Lomberg. Not exactly a heavyweight
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San Jose, Toronto, Nashville and Calgary are 4 of 5 bottom teams in the "hit" category. They seem to be doing okay.
I wouldn't be surprised if size was already negatively correlated with team success.
Tampa has a lot of small forwards (but their defensemen are huge).
Edmonton lacks scoring depth because they have too many low-skill grinders. I hope they keep it that way.
