The New American Politics thread

[Vulcan]

I could see the more recent white college grads changing their voting pattern as a result of the changing economics leaving more of them out of the privileged ranks. As they are no longer comfortably in the middle class what with student loans and the rich getting richer while they try to tread water. College grads will at least see who is really trying to change things for their benefit and who is screwing them than non college voters. In other words it may not only be disgust with Trump.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think there are a group of people who have been on the same sports team for 20-30-50 years or perhaps even generational support. And much like religion have never bothered to consider the central tenants. So these otherwise smart people have a blind spot in politics. It's interesting seeing some at least say they won't vote for trump but can't vote for Hillary either.

But I do think republicanism and democraticism takes on religious type roles in people's identities in a way you don't see here. And much like religion declaring for a party is becoming less common amount young people.

Probably depends what your major is. The arts, humanities, and social sciences tend to skew more towards the left, but business, econ, engineering, etc., all seem to skew more to the right. That's been my experience anyways. Those faculties tend to also be predominantly white males, so it makes sense.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Probably depends what your major is. The arts, humanities, and social sciences tend to skew more towards the left, but business, econ, engineering, etc., all seem to skew more to the right. That's been my experience anyways. Those faculties tend to also be predominantly white males, so it makes sense.

I'd agree that it skews like that but college is liberalizing for everyone who goes in. Liberals become more liberal and conservatives become more liberal on all issues.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GGG

I'd agree that it skews like that but college is liberalizing for everyone who goes in. Liberals become more liberal and conservatives become more liberal on all issues.

True, but there are also more religious colleges in the U.S., which probably skews the results a bit.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

True, but there are also more religious colleges in the U.S., which probably skews the results a bit.

right.

[Wormius]

As atheist, it's just my outside view, but how could even a person who claims to be religious lean in such a way to support Trump? Is there anything that he has ever said that supports any virtues that religious / church going people would support? I just don't see how has hasn't alienated everybody except for complete morons and opportunistic hangers-on.

[CliffFletcher]

This is a Generic Presidential Campaign Ad

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/ind...l-campaign-ad/

[Swift]

Green Party invites Sanders to take over ticket - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rs-green-party

Could be interesting to see a legitimate third party candidate in the running. Of course, this would likely split the Democratic vote and lead to the orange cretin in the White House.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Wormius

As atheist, it's just my outside view, but how could even a person who claims to be religious lean in such a way to support Trump? Is there anything that he has ever said that supports any virtues that religious / church going people would support? I just don't see how has hasn't alienated everybody except for complete morons and opportunistic hangers-on.

Your describing a big percentage of the religious whites in the U.S.A and there might be enough of them to get elected.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by T@T

Your describing a big percentage of the religious whites in the U.S.A and there might be enough of them to get elected.

That's what is escaping me right now. If they are religious, why are they supporting Trump? It's like blacks supporting the cause of the KKK. It's paradoxical. Trump should be universally reviled.

[peter12]

Church-goers don't support Trump, but non-church going Christians do.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by peter12

Church-goers don't support Trump, but non-church going Christians do.

Not really. While Trump support declines with attendance, he's still got the most support of any candidate. And that was also true truth the primaries

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Wormius

That's what is escaping me right now. If they are religious, why are they supporting Trump? It's like blacks supporting the cause of the KKK. It's paradoxical. Trump should be universally reviled.

It seems more like if the KKK implied they were going to give every black person a single family house tax free, would release most of the incarcerated black population and destroy the criminal record of all drug related crimes for people of all skin colors but also allow businesses to discriminate and segregate based on race and would encourage cities and towns to implement similar segregation policies. Sure, the KKK would be advocating very racist polices, but nevertheless, I think a lot of poor black people would say, I can deal with that for 4 years in exchange for the promised benefits.

My pet theory is this... Many conservative christians realize they are losing the culture wars, at least for now, and the Christians they elected didn't really help them win many battles. Further, there are issues that aren't directly tied to religion that also matter to them, in particular, the stagnant incomes and job opportunities for the lower middle class. As a result, I think they view Trump as the heathen that will stand up for them and either fix things or break things enough that they will have a fighting chance to improve their lot economically and/or socially.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Wormius

As atheist, it's just my outside view, but how could even a person who claims to be religious lean in such a way to support Trump? Is there anything that he has ever said that supports any virtues that religious / church going people would support? I just don't see how has hasn't alienated everybody except for complete morons and opportunistic hangers-on.

2 Corinthians.

I guess their support for a guy who tells it like it is, and will build a wall is stronger than an anti abortion bible humper like Cruz.

[Thor]

I often wonder if the US shouldn't move to a 3 or 4 party system, or even go Parliament lol

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Thor

I often wonder if the US shouldn't move to a 3 or 4 party system, or even go Parliament lol

That is interesting.

I don't know if I believe Trump is right of Cruz however! Just splatter trump on top of the Candidates.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Most of the core right wingers hate Trump exactly because he isn't far right enough. That's why they want Cruz. Trump basically needs to be in every section of the scale because he has positions in line with all of them.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Wormius

That's what is escaping me right now. If they are religious, why are they supporting Trump? It's like blacks supporting the cause of the KKK. It's paradoxical. Trump should be universally reviled.

I think in many cases it boils down to pure cheer leading for a team. There is a large faction of religious folk thatdo not really follow the teachings of Christ as per the Bible. It's a made up version. See wealth worship and pro guns for example.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Drak

I think in many cases it boils down to pure cheer leading for a team. There is a large faction of religious folk thatdo not really follow the teachings of Christ as per the Bible. It's a made up version. See wealth worship and pro guns for example.

Also I'm pretty sure Jesus would be in favor of ensuring that poor children are fed, that people had access to health care, etc.

There are a lot of "Christians" who focus more on Leviticus than on the Gospels. They have vastly different messages.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Also I'm pretty sure Jesus would be in favor of ensuring that poor children are fed, that people had access to health care, etc.

There are a lot of "Christians" who focus more on Leviticus than on the Gospels. They have vastly different messages.

I have though my that the right wing evangelicals really should be called Laviticans rather than Christians and pro-birth rather than pro-life.