[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[midniteowl]

I don't know if it's been asked yet, I though NJ wanted to include Allen in any trade?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Not sure if it's been shared yet but unsurprisingly, the Athletic thinks the flames got scammed. Won't share the commentary but here are the grades:

Devils grade: A
Flames grade: D-plus

Devils grade: A
Flames grade: C-minus

Devils grade: A
Flames grade: B-minus

I feel like if the Flames gave up Markstrom and in return got nothing, this would be at least a C-minus, since this is the move the Flames needed to do. Opens up the net for Wolf and improves next year's draft pick (hopefully)

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Trying to be cognizant of the paywall but these two sentences stick out to me on the rationale for the grade. Then you take into account Sec's scout insight and it makes ya wonder what this analysis is based on, outside of gut feelings, coulda-woulda-shoulda and getting articles out quick.

But man the Devils had other options, even if both parties' desire was to connect on a trade.

There is always the risk that the the Devils go out and make a trade for Gibson or Saros and then the Flames are without a dance partner. That would have been the greatest failure.

I think the Flames got above fair value in a bad situation without risking a complete loss on the return.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yeah these grades makes no sense at all. Seravalli had been saying for weeks that the Flames were in tough to get value back for Markstrom.

If it was a second then I could have understood the anger.

But getting a 1st back for a goalie is tough sledding at any point in time.

Media was saying the only way the Flames could maybe get 10th OV is if they added a pick and retained 50%...instead now they get a 1st, didn't have to retain 50%, and didn't add a pick...and it's a poor grade.

It just makes no sense logically when people assess these trades.

10th OV for 50% Markstrom and 41 OV would have been seen as a home run...but somehow a 1st, Bahl for Markstrom with 33% retention is a failure.

[MisterJoji]

Sorry I didn’t wade through the whole thread. Is it an unprotected 2026 1st if next year pick is top 10?

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lol what did people think the Flames were going to get in return here...

According to some people a few months ago... Mercer and Holtz and a 1st and a 2nd lmao.

[SemicolonD]

Another thing is Conroys continued emphasis and belief in the flames pro scouting, Conroy could legitimately value Bahl more than Holtz and no one would dare give this trade anything below an A if it was 2025 pick and Holtz, these pundits just want a sexy name and Bahl isn’t that.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is that directed at me? Because if so, it's poorly directed.

It's a question, I thought that every trade needs to have a winner and a loser around these parts.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

According to some people a few months ago... Mercer and Holtz and a 1st and a 2nd lmao.

That was never discussed for Markstrom.

People thought that maybe if you had Markstrom and Hanifin with full retention you could get Mercer, 1st, and another piece.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I don't know if it's been asked yet, I though NJ wanted to include Allen in any trade?

I feel like part of this trade is giving an opportunity for Wolf, so Flames probably didn't want Allen or like it becomes more complex with Allen and Vladar switching sides?

I'd expect that the Flames might add an AHL goalie with NHL experience as a UFA?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

and he looked really good with Weegar in limited viewings

Over the course of a full season I think Miromanov is going to be exposed. Great shot but not much else that's exciting

[devo22]

Given that the Flames have had to be dragged kicking and screaming into a rebuild, I can't help but smile at the work Conroy has done over the last year. Picked up three additional 1sts, several additional picks, some decent prospects and young players, struck gold with Sharangovich and so on and so forth.

Has every trade been a home-run? Probably not. Have some trades felt a bit underwhelming at first? Maybe, yeah. But the general direction is the right one and I feel Conroy has set us up well for what's coming. Will probably be a lottery team for the next couple of seasons, but that's what is needed. This franchise has never picked in the top 3 ... if there's one franchise that doesn't have to feel bad for bottoming out for once, it's the Flames.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Trying to be cognizant of the paywall but these two sentences stick out to me on the rationale for the grade. Then you take into account Sec's scout insight and it makes ya wonder what this analysis is based on, outside of gut feelings, coulda-woulda-shoulda and getting articles out quick.

What terrible takes.

Its the thing to do, bash the Flames and every move they make.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Trying to be cognizant of the paywall but these two sentences stick out to me on the rationale for the grade. Then you take into account Sec's scout insight and it makes ya wonder what this analysis is based on, outside of gut feelings, coulda-woulda-shoulda and getting articles out quick.

Looks like they are ignoring pretty much every historical goalie trade lol

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I don't know if it's been asked yet, I though NJ wanted to include Allen in any trade?

I don't know why Jersey would trade Allen. There was a condition on that trade that if he plays 40 games and the team he's on makes the playoffs, the pick becomes a 3rd rounder.

You'd want to manage that yourself, I would imagine.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Over the course of a full season I think Miromanov is going to be exposed. Great shot but not much else that's exciting

Why would you think that? He was really really good at 5v5 in his short time here. Better than Weegar even both at suppressing shots and generating chances for.

Even if he gets worse, he would still be quite good.

This even showed in his limited time in Vegas. There is a reason he was targeted in the trade.

Whoever is running the Flames pro scouting is doing a really solid job.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

So he's not very good at fighting. Based on the videos Zadorov was a better fighter. He seems kind of similar to Weegar, so a middleweight at best.

Neither Zadorov nor Regher (who some have mentioned) were very good fighters. They used their size differently.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

According to some people a few months ago... Mercer and Holtz and a 1st and a 2nd lmao.

Not one person said that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Not sure if it's been shared yet but unsurprisingly, the Athletic thinks the flames got scammed. Won't share the commentary but here are the grades:

Devils grade: A
Flames grade: D-plus

Devils grade: A
Flames grade: C-minus

Devils grade: A
Flames grade: B-minus

Look up their grade on the Toffoli trade.

[cannon7]

Would have preferred an unprotected pick or at worst just lottery protected. But like Kevin Bahl. He's huge, uses his size well and still a lot of room to improve at 23.