[Rumour] Lebrun: Flames prepared to have Hanifin at training camp with low trade offers so Far

[Jiri Hrdina]

New Jersey has Nemec and Hughes to make room for already

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I know some players, and people in management with the Flames and other clubs. I can tell you for certain since 2010 to 2023 the Flames have lost more money than they have made. Some years the Stamps and Hitmen make bigger profits than the Flames. Ownership is not making money hand over fist in Calgary.

Are the Flames ownership the best in pro sports? Probably not. But they are far from the worst. And just because they don't go down the road of a rebuild you want doesn't mean they're terrible owners. I guess it's easy to hide behind a keyboard and #### on people you don't know but you don't mock people so there's that.

And while that well may be true on a current financial basis, the value of the franchise itself has increased FAR more than the current cash drain. By probably five to ten times.

I'm not about to feel sorry for any of the poor owners who've had to shell out a couple of million while their franchise has increase by $100-200 million or more.

That is reality.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

New Jersey has Nemec and Hughes to make room for already

Nemec is a right shot.

Hanifin-Hamilton
Hughes-Marino
Siganthaler-Nemec
Miller

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Here’s the issue with walking guys to the deadline.

Any deadline deal will almost certainly involve futures, which runs counter to the stated goal of making the playoffs. Goal is to win now, not in 5 years.

So conroy has to accomplish a hockey trade, otherwise risks being forced to deal at the deadline for a future based package, which will hurt the teams chances of making the playoffs.

So he needs to strike before the season starts (hopefully in the next couple of days before all the money is gone), and find a workable hockey deal. Otherwise he’s putting himself in a bad spot starting the season with these guys, let alone the distraction that would come with walking these pieces to the trade deadline.

Even if Conroy wants to trade Hanifin for win now assets, he should be willing to trade him for futures or whatever maximizes his value in a trade.

He can then trade those futures for a win now asset, even if I think this would be the wrong move.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Even if Conroy wants to trade Hanifin for win now assets, he should be willing to trade him for futures or whatever maximizes his value in a trade.

He can then trade those futures for a win now asset, even if I think this would be the wrong move.

This is exactly how the Flames ended up trading Glencross to aquire the pieces to land Hamilton later.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Lightning struck twice I guess, Orlov and Ekholm, two top pairing dmen traded by teams in the playoff hunt 3 months ago.

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Basically Washington, last year. 4 points out with a game in hand behind the Isles, traded Orlov.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Preds dealt Ekholm last year and they were in the playoff hunt, in 9th place at the deadline, 6 back of 8th with 2 games in hand.

I specifically said unless the Flames are 4+ point out of a playoff spot.

And the Ekholm deal was an early move in a franchise rebuild - a route the Flames are not taking.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Neither of those teams were in a playoff spot. And the Ekholm deal was an early move in a franchise rebuild - a route the Flames are not taking.

I'd have agreed with that right until yesterday, but I actually have no clue what the F Nashville is doing. All of their moves pointed to a rebuild, but then they go out and splash a lot of cash on 32- and 33-year olds like ROR, Nyqvist and Schenn ... doesn't actually look like have any plan whatsoever.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Even if Conroy wants to trade Hanifin for win now assets, he should be willing to trade him for futures or whatever maximizes his value in a trade.

He can then trade those futures for a win now asset, even if I think this would be the wrong move.

Conroy needs to show ownership, Lindholm, and Backlund that they are going to be competitive next season. Conroy isn't trading Hanafin for pure futures on the hope he can translate those futures to a scoring forward. Not unless its part of a three way or he has another trade ready to go.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by devo22

I'd have agreed with that right until yesterday, but I actually have no clue what the F Nashville is doing. All of their moves pointed to a rebuild, but then they go out and splash a lot of cash on 32- and 33-year olds like ROR, Nyqvist and Schenn ... doesn't actually look like have any plan whatsoever.

Rebuilding teams still need the bulk of their roster to be veterans. Fan scenarios of running with a roster half made up of 1st and 2nd year players are fantasy.

Nashville sold off a bunch of assets and replaced them with veterans who they feel will foster a better culture for prospects and young players to grow in. Having a two-way Cup-winning O’Reilly playing tough minutes is far better than throwing Cody Glass to the wolves. Trotz knows he has a non-playoff team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

This is exactly how the Flames ended up trading Glencross to aquire the pieces to land Hamilton later.

Well, one of the many pieces. They got a 2nd and a 3rd for Glencross and used the 2nd rounder they got as one of the picks they traded for Hamilton. They also of course used their own first and second rounders.

The 3rd rounder Calgary got for Glencross was traded with their own third rounder to AZ, in order to get the second round pick they used to pick Kylington. AZ picked Jens Lööke and some guy named Adin Hill with the third rounders.

I’d sure expect a lot more for Hamilton than Glencross, who was clearly at the end of his career. And we should keep in mind that the Glencross trade was a TDL one, not pre-season.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Nemec is a right shot.

Hanifin-Hamilton
Hughes-Marino
Siganthaler-Nemec
Miller

Hanifin and Hamilton on another team's top pairing?

The pain of the Flames continues

[Toonage]

Are the Rangers really shopping Laf? If so thats where the Flames attention should be. IMO

[keenan87]

With not many notable dmen left. Who are the teams that struck out and still need a Top 4 dman? If any.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by keenan87

With not many notable dmen left. Who are the teams that struck out and still need a Top 4 dman? If any.

Dallas? Seattle?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

With not many notable dmen left. Who are the teams that struck out and still need a Top 4 dman? If any.

Kings but they have no space. Kraken. Sabres. Rangers. Jackets but they are spending the money on Gudbranson. Wild.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Anaheim. They need a defenseman.

[bluejays]

Lafrieniere is who he is at this point. He's playing with the best but can't produce, and hasn't shown the level of skill needed. The Rangers are the team to deal with because there's a sense of "win now" there, but he shouldn't be the target. Kakko at this point seems to have a better skillset, honestly. I'd like him and a high pick for Hanifin, if anything.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Kings but they have no space. Kraken. Sabres. Rangers. Jackets but they are spending the money on Gudbranson. Wild.

Kings went all in with Dubois. So I think they are out.

Kraken. Need d but if we are asking for a roster player back, can’t see it happening.

Sabres signed Clifton and Johnson. Sitting at 9d so can’t see them of interest (unless we take the olofsson deal that was offered, which I can’t see is doing)

Nyr has cap room but have to sign K’Andre Miller and Lafreniere. Hard to see a fit there. Have Schneider snd Robertson in the wings too. With fox and trouba as top pair, not sure if hanifin is a priority.

Stars don’t have much either to offer and probably hoping Harley and Lundqist keep progressing.

Just a gut feeling, but looking like Boston at this point.

[dustygoon]

Loosely related to Hanifin to Florida. On the Cam and Strick podcast, when they were talking about where Barbashev was going to sign (before he signed in LV), Andy Strickland segued into a story about a GM that recently screwed him.

My summary of the sophomoric and somewhat salacious story (46th minute of July 10th episode):

It involved a tweet Andy sent out about a UFA's potential landing spot. This unnamed GM reached out via text in connection with that tweet and strangely backstabbed the player's agent (called the agent a greaseball, liar etc).

Strickland ignored it, but then shortly after, he gets a call from that agent reaming him out. Apparently the GM (stirring stuff up?) had called the agent for some strange reason saying "Strickland told me everything you said" implying Strickland was backstabbing. Strickland says he never talked to the agent before the tweet, but at the draft he and the agent mended fences. Strickland also talked to "a number of hockey people" about the GM...the consensus was "be careful of that guy"!

It lines up at least in my mind that Strickland was talking about Barbashev whose agent is Dan Milstein. And the GM in my estimation is probably Bill Zito (tweet was about Barbashev going to florida which had money and interest). Zito was maybe throwing a reporter under the bus for some unknown gain.

Just interesting that a GM would do this (i think it is Zito in this case). You lose the trust of people including a well known reporter and an agent that reps almost every russian player. I'm sure GM's play games with insiders and outright lie to get an edge. But not many would make up stories with personal insults VIA TEXT that damage reputations and burn bridges like this. Lou wouldn't, I can't see Treliving doing it, etc.

Anyway, i thought it might be interesting to mull over as we wait and wonder if Hanifin goes to Florida. Conroy seems like a trusting fellow.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671919248459849729

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Are the Rangers really shopping Laf? If so thats where the Flames attention should be. IMO

Everything I've read on Lafreniere says he has skating issues that don't translate well to the NHL. I think I would pass.