[Rumour] Lebrun: Flames prepared to have Hanifin at training camp with low trade offers so Far

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I know some players, and people in management with the Flames and other clubs. I can tell you for certain since 2010 to 2023 the Flames have lost more money than they have made. Some years the Stamps and Hitmen make bigger profits than the Flames. Ownership is not making money hand over fist in Calgary.

Are the Flames ownership the best in pro sports? Probably not. But they are far from the worst. And just because they don't go down the road of a rebuild you want doesn't mean they're terrible owners. I guess it's easy to hide behind a keyboard and #### on people you don't know but you don't mock people so there's that.

Even if this is true.. (which could be true based on accounting particular with a conglomerate like the Flames organization but could easily be untrue with different accounting despite nothing changing)... And they are losing money, the asset of the Flames has grown by a giant value. They've gained a ton from a wealth perspective.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by ah123

In the bright side, if Backs, Hanafin, and co start the season with the Flames, they’re all going to be playing for their next contract. If Conroy holds to his stance, these players will be worth quite a bit at the TDL

I think that may be the play at this point.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Backs for sure is a natural TDL option. His intangibles and defensive skill would have so much value to a team that is loading up for a Cup run. I think he’s worth more at the deadline than now. Hanifin…I’d rather move him prior to the season but if the deals aren’t there, waiting might be the play.

[CliffFletcher]

So the plan is to miss the playoffs? Because the only way Hanifin gets dealt at the deadline is if the Flames are 4+ points out of playoff spot.

Fans need to get their heads around the very real possibility that we walk Hanifin (and Backlund) to free agency.

[Flamesfan05]

If we make the playoffs, Conroy declared victory regardless

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So the plan is to miss the playoffs? Because they only way Hanifin gets dealt at the deadline is if the Flames are 4+ points out of playoff spot.

Fans need to get their heads around the very real possibility that we talk Hanifin (and Backlund) to free agency.

We somehow trade Glencross at the deadline so it is possible.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So the plan is to miss the playoffs? Because they only way Hanifin gets dealt at the deadline is if the Flames are 4+ points out of playoff spot.

Fans need to get their heads around the very real possibility that we talk Hanifin (and Backlund) to free agency.

If Conroy believes Hanifin is not re-signing (which seems patently obvious), I think Conroy will trade him at the trade deadline whether we are in the playoffs or not. The Gaudreau situation was different in that: 1) he was our franchise player, and 2) we thought we had a really good shot at re-signing him.

The danger with waiting to move him at the deadline isn’t that we are in the playoffs…the danger with waiting is that Hanifin gets hurt or has a horrific season.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

If Conroy believes Hanifin is not re-signing (which seems patently obvious), I think Conroy will trade him at the trade deadline whether we are in the playoffs or not..

When’s the last time a playoff team dealt a top-pairing d-man at the deadline?

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When’s the last time a playoff team dealt a top-pairing d-man at the deadline?

I’m not google.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So the plan is to miss the playoffs? Because they only way Hanifin gets dealt at the deadline is if the Flames are 4+ points out of playoff spot.

Fans need to get their heads around the very real possibility that we talk Hanifin (and Backlund) to free agency.

Even if we make the play-offs losing them for nothing has to be seen as an absolute disaster.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I’m not google.

I’ll save you some time: Never.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When’s the last time a playoff team dealt a top-pairing d-man at the deadline?

Basically Washington, last year. 4 points out with a game in hand behind the Isles, traded Orlov.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When’s the last time a playoff team dealt a top-pairing d-man at the deadline?

The Preds dealt Ekholm last year and they were in the playoff hunt, in 9th place at the deadline, 6 back of 8th with 2 games in hand.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Basically Washington, last year. 4 points out with a game in hand behind the Isles, traded Orlov.

Lightning struck twice I guess, Orlov and Ekholm, two top pairing dmen traded by teams in the playoff hunt 3 months ago.

[really?]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So the plan is to miss the playoffs? Because they only way Hanifin gets dealt at the deadline is if the Flames are 4+ points out of playoff spot.

Fans need to get their heads around the very real possibility that we talk Hanifin (and Backlund) to free agency.

It’s a real possibility and the rest of the league is well aware of this possibility. Hopefully Conroy’s patience will pay dividends, but the team loses bargaining leverage with players each day they get closer to free agency, and you’d have to convince me this team will move significant cogs at the deadline if they are in contention for the playoffs. Curtis Glencross was mentioned, but he was not in a tier with Lindholm, Hanifin or Backlund.

Conroy didn’t create this mess, but he has a potential mess on his hands. If the Flames are committed to dealing any of these three who are not signed at the deadline, then they may fare well, otherwise expect to vastly overpay to retain these players, accept uninspiring returns (ex. Duclair plus limited prospect), or watch these guys walk. I would expect an uninspiring deal for Backlund or Hanifin over the summer, and a dilemma next spring. From what’s been said and done this offseason, I do think the team is willing to go in a new direction, but unfortunately past moves have handed management a weak hand to play.

[really?]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Preds dealt Ekholm last year and they were in the playoff hunt, in 9th place at the deadline, 6 back of 8th with 2 games in hand.

I hear you on the deals and think those teams did the right thing, but how much playoff revenue did they see last year?

[Backstop]

A 1st and two 2nds, isn't that what Treliving paid to bring in Hamonic ?

Klingberg is not adding much to the defensive side of their metrics over in the center of the universe. They still need a defense first defenseman with Gio getting close to hanging em up. Detroit just signed Holl as well, what does their blue line look like right now?

Is there a timeline where we can get the same deal from Tree for Hanifin?
To Calgary 1st + 2nd + 2nd
To Toronto Hanifin

[JTech780]

I could see NJ and Washington having interest in Hanifin.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by really?

I hear you on the deals and think those teams did the right thing, but how much playoff revenue did they see last year?

I know that's tounge in cheek...but "the same amount as calgary..."

[The Original FFIV]

Here’s the issue with walking guys to the deadline.

Any deadline deal will almost certainly involve futures, which runs counter to the stated goal of making the playoffs. Goal is to win now, not in 5 years.

So conroy has to accomplish a hockey trade, otherwise risks being forced to deal at the deadline for a future based package, which will hurt the teams chances of making the playoffs.

So he needs to strike before the season starts (hopefully in the next couple of days before all the money is gone), and find a workable hockey deal. Otherwise he’s putting himself in a bad spot starting the season with these guys, let alone the distraction that would come with walking these pieces to the trade deadline.