2021 NHL Draft

[Poe969]

Get the best possible C available.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Get the best possible C available.

And hope to hell he shoots right!

[Bingo]

Building a dataset for draft rankings to drive a range of players for Calgary ... worked perfectly last year for the most part.

Through six rankings the group that's emerging is ...

Jesper Wallstedt 7 12 11 13 10 9 10.33
Mason Mctavish 15 9 9 9 11 10 10.50
Chaz Lucius 12 10 10 16 9 12 11.50
Cole Sillinger 13 15 13 10 13 13 12.83
Fabian Lysell 10 11 27 14 12 11 14.17
Carson Lambos 22 18 14 5 15 14 14.67

Kent Johnson averages 7.00, suggests he'll be gone.

Aatu Raty averages 18.67 so less consensus.

I always find this stuff interesting, happy to update the grouping as it changes when I add rankings if there's an interest.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Building a dataset for draft rankings to drive a range of players for Calgary ... worked perfectly last year for the most part.

Through six rankings the group that's emerging is ...

Jesper Wallstedt 7 12 11 13 10 9 10.33
Mason Mctavish 15 9 9 9 11 10 10.50
Chaz Lucius 12 10 10 16 9 12 11.50
Cole Sillinger 13 15 13 10 13 13 12.83
Fabian Lysell 10 11 27 14 12 11 14.17
Carson Lambos 22 18 14 5 15 14 14.67

Kent Johnson averages 7.00, suggests he'll be gone.

Aatu Raty averages 18.67 so less consensus.

I always find this stuff interesting, happy to update the grouping as it changes when I add rankings if there's an interest.

Love these consensus lists.
Somebody was putting out an excel sheet the last few years that had 20 or so different sources and the rankings for the first three rounds. Great information.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Building a dataset for draft rankings to drive a range of players for Calgary ... worked perfectly last year for the most part.

Through six rankings the group that's emerging is ...

Jesper Wallstedt 7 12 11 13 10 9 10.33
Mason Mctavish 15 9 9 9 11 10 10.50
Chaz Lucius 12 10 10 16 9 12 11.50
Cole Sillinger 13 15 13 10 13 13 12.83
Fabian Lysell 10 11 27 14 12 11 14.17
Carson Lambos 22 18 14 5 15 14 14.67

Kent Johnson averages 7.00, suggests he'll be gone.

Aatu Raty averages 18.67 so less consensus.

I always find this stuff interesting, happy to update the grouping as it changes when I add rankings if there's an interest.

You are going to have to re-do all this when we win the lotto

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

@Sandman,

What's your take on Chibrikov? Watching that kid's highlights, he has that gamebreaker quality about him. I would love if we took a shot at a russian and take one of Chibrikov or Kisakov.

They both seem to have great IQ and amazing skating. Both seem likely to be later picks due to the "russian" factor.

I made the comment in my U-18 write-up that I liked Chibrikov more than Lysell. Both have a pretty similar skillset, in that they both have game-breaking speed and IQ (though I would give a slight edge to Lysell), but Chibrikov is much more hard-nosed, meaner, and more physical. The downside to Chibrikov is that he doesn’t pay enough attention to the defensive side of the game, whereas Lysell is a good 200ft player. That part of the game can be taught. In the U-18s, Chibrikov had 13pts to Lysell’s 9, albeit playing on a much more dominant offensive team, but Chibrikov looked to be more of a facilitator than Lysell. I still think Chibrikov goes in the 20-32 range in the draft.

The big negative about Kisakov is his size-he has a long way to go to bulk up and get stronger, but he still could go in the second.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Building a dataset for draft rankings to drive a range of players for Calgary ... worked perfectly last year for the most part.

Through six rankings the group that's emerging is ...

Jesper Wallstedt 7 12 11 13 10 9 10.33
Mason Mctavish 15 9 9 9 11 10 10.50
Chaz Lucius 12 10 10 16 9 12 11.50
Cole Sillinger 13 15 13 10 13 13 12.83
Fabian Lysell 10 11 27 14 12 11 14.17
Carson Lambos 22 18 14 5 15 14 14.67

Kent Johnson averages 7.00, suggests he'll be gone.

Aatu Raty averages 18.67 so less consensus.

I always find this stuff interesting, happy to update the grouping as it changes when I add rankings if there's an interest.

One thing about the Flames under Treliving is that they haven't made any reaches in the first round as all the players they have picked have been in the consensus ballpark which I like as I'm not a fan of reaching. I get that sometimes it pays off but IMO most time it doesn't.

[Poe969]

So I've been looking at a lot of mock drafts and I can't believe how different players are ranked from one source to the next. One site had the Flames taking Svechkov in the third round at 77, 9ne had him at 31 and one had him at 28. Same with Wallstedt, I've seen him as high as 4 and as low as 16.

[kyuss275]

Isn’t cole sillinger considered slow? If so do not want. This team needs speed.

[Wastedyouth]

If the Flames pick 12 I sure hope Raty is there.

He's gonna be good.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Isn’t cole sillinger considered slow? If so do not want. This team needs speed.

He’s supremely talented, and one of the best goal scorers in the draft, but yeah-he might not be a fit for this team for that reason.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Building a dataset for draft rankings to drive a range of players for Calgary ... worked perfectly last year for the most part.

Through six rankings the group that's emerging is ...

Jesper Wallstedt 7 12 11 13 10 9 10.33
Mason Mctavish 15 9 9 9 11 10 10.50
Chaz Lucius 12 10 10 16 9 12 11.50
Cole Sillinger 13 15 13 10 13 13 12.83
Fabian Lysell 10 11 27 14 12 11 14.17
Carson Lambos 22 18 14 5 15 14 14.67

Kent Johnson averages 7.00, suggests he'll be gone.

Aatu Raty averages 18.67 so less consensus.

I always find this stuff interesting, happy to update the grouping as it changes when I add rankings if there's an interest.

I'd take sillinger 1st out of that group and McTavish 2nd. Unless someone falls further, if theres a solid reason not to take either of those guys then I'm all for trading down if another team loves wallstedt.

But I think Sillinger will be quite good.

[ForeverFlameFan]

McTavish all day. Would love a goal scorer on this team.

[Poe969]

Or trade down to take Stankoven. Not because he looks amazing or anything, just the name.

Put some Stank on it! Best catch phrase ever!!!!!

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Or trade down to take Stankoven. Not because he looks amazing or anything, just the name.

Put some Stank on it! Best catch phrase ever!!!!!

Stankoven sounds like a version of the "Dutch Oven".

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Kid scored 29 goals as a 16/17 year old rookie in the OHL.

He scores. He hits. He plays a 200 foot game.

He's gonna be good.

In my opinion.

Edit: To add to that, he's been playing in the Swiss Hockey League this season, he's been playing against men in Pro Hockey and doing what he does best, scores.

The kid just flat out scores at every level he has ever played at.

That's something you can't teach.

For EHC Olten, Brennan Othmann (who's a mid to late first rounder) scored 16 points in 34 games, and 2 points in 4 playoff games. McTavish had 11 points (9goals) in 13 games, and 7 points in 4 playoff games. No matter what, he gets it done-and when the games matter, he cranks it way way up.

[Sandman]

RW Liekit Reichle, 6'1"183lbs (GCK Lions U20, SWI): 43gp/20g/55a/75pts,24PIMs-3rd in the league in scoring, 1st in ppg in the top-30. Not much out there to say what he is as a player, but I can say he didn't distinguish himself at all at the U-18s. Here's what I do know: he's half thai, half swiss-and "Liekit"apparently means "Flames"in Finnish. Countrymen Noah Meier and Lorenzo Canonica both got "B" grades from Central Scouting, while Reichle got a "C", so he must have some real flaws. Looks to be a late-round pick, but I thought I would share.

[Sandman]

LHD Noah Meier,5'11"170lbs (GK Kusnacht Lions,SL):35gp/1g/19a/20pts, 18PIMs (5th on the men's team in scoring, 1st for D-men by 7pts despite not playing as many games). Meier was called up to the SL, a men's Swiss league, after putting up 8pts in 5 games in the U20 league. He also got an 18 game stint in the National League, with only 1 point. He also played 4 games in the WJC, scoring 1g,1a-and by some accounts, he stabilized the backend.

Meier's skating is top-notch, with a quality first-step, explosive acceleration, and great bursts to win loose pucks. His edges are also strong, and he shows it in his button-hooks. The other main pillar in his game is his passing-he has a vast arsenal of passes, including tape to tape stretch passes, bank passes, saucers, and backhands. He is most dangerous in the offensive zone-he usually stays close to the blueline, looking for passing lanes, and doesn't activate too much. He also doesn't shoot much (only 1.2 shots per game), but he should-he has a quick,hard wrist shot. In transition, he can easily carry up the ice through the neutral zone to the offensive zone by himself, or with a pass, and he can exit and enter with control.

Meier's weaknesses lie in the defensive zone-his gap control gets very mixed reviews, and he's not aggressive or assertive there. This is a problem with many Swiss prospects, but he needs to improve. He is dangerous from the blueline in. He's also one of the oldest players in the draft-he missed the cutoff for last year's draft by 9 days. CS gave him a "B" rating, meaning he's expected to go in the 2nd-3rd round, so there may be something there, he has great numbers in Switzerland. Will probably top out as a bottom-4 defenseman. I think he may be a later-round pick, but his numbers intrigue me.

[Sandman]

C/LW Lorenzo Canonica,5'11"179lbs (Shawinigan, QMJHL):24gp/6g/10a/16pts, tied for 3rd in the playoffs with 4pts in 5 games. Also played for Lugano U20 (20gp/11g/8a/19pts), with an appearance in the WJC (1 pt in 4g) in between. Selected 20th overall in the 2020 Import Draft, after finishing 5th in the U20 league with 43pts in 42 games. This year, he was bounced around Shawinigan's deep lineup, with very inconsistent numbers-however, 14 of his 16 points were even-strength.

Canonica has excellent speed and balance, with the edgework to weave in and out of traffic and tight spaces. His stickhandling is sound, with the ability to dangle and toe-drag around defenders. Playmaking is perhaps his best asset in the O zone-he knows where his teammates are without looking. He can slow the play down to let teammates find open spaces to recieve his accurate cross-ice, or cross-seam passes. Smart player with IQ, he knows when to take chances and when not to. He knows how to support the puck, and makes quick astute decisions with his awareness of on-ice situations. Canonica has a good, hard shot with velocity and accuracy, and a quick release-he can release it in full flight.

What gets Canonica the most attention though, is how great a defensive player he is-he's used extensively on the PK and defensive zone draws. Always in position, with the body or his active stick. Doesn't back down, even from larger opponents, and plays with bite. He's a great player without the puck, and never quits on plays. Relentless on the forecheck, and the backcheck, and will dish out hits with authority. He 's been projected as a bottom-6 energy player and PKer, but I think it's too early to judge that, as I think we need to see how he does with more ice-time, and time on the PP. Central Scouting gave him a "B" rating, pegging him to be picked in the 2nd/3rd round.

[Sandman]

RHD Dmitri Kostenko, 6'0"168lbs (Lada Togliatti,VHL): 40gp/1g/9a/10pts in the VHL, a men's league, after putting up 9pts in 10 games in the MHL. Both teams didn't have much talent to work with, other than Svechkov. This kid looks like a prototypical puck-moving/puck-rushing defenseman.

Kostenko is a high-octane offensive weapon, his reads and IQ in the O zone are his bread and butter. He love jumping into the rush with his great mobility, solid edges, and hands-which are one of the best sets in the MHL. Creates high-danger chances. He's confident when walking the blueline waiting for seams to open up, and makes quick, crisp, accurate passes. He also has a heck of a slapper. He's useful in transition-he can move quickly through the neutral zone with a tape-to-tape pass, or with his quick feet.

Defensive play is a negative, but it can be taught-the team that selects him will have a bit of a project, not unlike a Kylington. He often looks disinterested in battling in the corners, and lacks effort in containing attackers sometimes. The good news is that his backwards skating is explosive, and he has a good stick with a strong upper body-though he needs to bulk up and add muscle, particularly to his lower body. CS rates him as a "B", but I think he might go in the 4th/5th round. He could be a bottom-4 with offense and PP time in the NHL.