[Trade] Oilers trade Taylor Hall to NJ for Adam Larsson. 1 For 1.

[McClintock]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think the thing that also amuses me is that shipping Hall out probably means they fast track Pulujarvi.

Eberle will shelter Puljus minutes provided he doesn't getting traded.

Hall is LW
Puljujarvi is RW

(not that they cant switch sides but still)

[Weitz]

nvm cant read good

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Incredibly misleading.

Hall isn't he best goal scorer in the NHL. He isn't the fastest. He isn't the toughest. He isn't a leader. He has low IQ. He is poor defensively.

One thing he is not just elite, but UBER-ELITE is how he always gets off the ice on a turnover, while having his replacement try to catch up on the play, and inevitably getting what should have been Hall's minus.

Elite I tell you, and that tweet only confirms how big that number is

Even if this is true, I highly doubt its happen anywhere near the point to make the numbers close.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by McClintock

I cant wait to watch Larsson be eaten alive when he's playing 35 minutes a game this season on the top pairing.

Robyn Regehr never had more than 26 points his entire career. Is it fair to trade a 24 year old Hall for a 22 year old Regehr?

Not that Larsson is Regehr physically, but he did lead the Devils in hits, and he's very good defensively playing against elite players.

This is a good thing for the Oilers. When you break up with a crappy ex, don't complain about how you didn't get to keep the Keurig. Be happy she's out of your life.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Robyn Regehr never had more than 26 points his entire career. Is it fair to trade a 24 year old Hall for a 22 year old Regehr?

Not that Larsson is Regehr physically, but he did lead the Devils in hits, and he's very good defensively playing against elite players.

This is a good thing for the Oilers. When you break up with a crappy ex, don't complain about how you didn't get to keep the Keurig. Be happy she's out of your life.

Regehr was elite in a different era. The game has changed.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by McClintock

Eberle will shelter Puljus minutes provided he doesn't getting traded.

Hall is LW
Puljujarvi is RW

(not that they cant switch sides but still)

I'm sorry, I did a spit take on the idea of Eberle sheltering anyone.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Regehr was elite in a different era. The game has changed.

Yes. You can't murderlize guys in a tunnel of death the way Reggie used to.

Regardless of how the game has evolved, one does not NEED to put up 40 points on the blue line.

If Larsson can make a good first pass and play a responsible physical game in the defensive zone, that alone is probably good for 25-30 points. Which is fine for a defense-first defenseman.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Regehr was elite in a different era. The game has changed.

Sure, but that doesn't invalidate the comparison. What does somewhat invalidate it, however, is that Larsson provides considerably more offence.

Regehr was as pure a shutdown D as you can get.
Larsson is also a shutdown D, and while he won't score many goals, he can at least move the puck and create some offence as a playmaker. Larsson's top end would offer a little more variety than Regehr's top end did.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Robyn Regehr never had more than 26 points his entire career. Is it fair to trade a 24 year old Hall for a 22 year old Regehr?

Not that Larsson is Regehr physically, but he did lead the Devils in hits, and he's very good defensively playing against elite players.

This is a good thing for the Oilers. When you break up with a crappy ex, don't complain about how you didn't get to keep the Keurig. Be happy she's out of your life.

If Regehr = Larsson then the exact comparison would have been trading Lecavalier for Regher leading up to the 03/04 season.

At that point:

Regehr: GP: 282 Points: 36
Lecavalier: GP: 386 Goals: 114 Points: 261

Compared to:

Larsson: GP: 274 Points: 69
Hall: GP: 381 Goals: 132 Points: 328

IMO Larsson is a little more well rounded, and makes a better first pass - but at the same time Hall has outperformed Lecavalier's first 5 years. If I go back to the 02/03 off-season, and the Flames traded Regehr for Lecavalier I am probably streaking through downtown Calgary out of sheer excitement.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm sorry, I did a spit take on the idea of Eberle sheltering anyone.

You shouldn't. Eberle sucks, but he doesn't seem to care at all how much he sucks. Last thing you want is a Puljujarvi who probably still cares a lot to get rattled when he goes over his head. Eberle? Meh.. just another -3 day at the office.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If Regehr = Larsson then the exact comparison would have been trading Lecavalier for Regher leading up to the 03/04 season.

At that point:

Regehr: GP: 282 Points: 36
Lecavalier: GP: 386 Goals: 114 Points: 261

Compared to:

Larsson: GP: 274 Points: 69
Hall: GP: 381 Goals: 132 Points: 328

IMO Larsson is a little more well rounded, and makes a better first pass - but at the same time Hall has outperformed Lecavalier's first 5 years. If I go back to the 02/03 off-season, and the Flames traded Regehr for Lecavalier I am probably streaking through downtown Calgary out of sheer excitement.

Looking at what the Edmonton Oilers desperately need, and have needed for at least five years, this is what had to happen. They were never going to get a Weber/Subban calibre player for one of their golden children. They were going to have to a tier down and get someone with upside, but who wasn't necessarily the sexiest name. Larsson might be the best fit - I don't think Winnipeg was in a hurry to move Jacob Trouba for Taylor Hall, and I don't think what Edmonton needs is more offense from the blue line. They need more defense from the blue line.

The deal is a clear win for New Jersey from a straight value perspective. But context matters, and I don't think the Oilers will regret this trade in two years. Hell, I don't think they'll regret it next year. The odds of the Edmonton Oilers making the playoffs with Taylor Hall, in my opinion is about zero. Six years in the league, and the best finish he ever helped them two was 23rd, in a 48 game season.

Trading Hall might shake the other two $6M kids out of apathy - they have to take notice that the league doesn't value them nearly as much as they might imagine.

"Don't mess up everything we've built the last 5 years #FutureIsBright"

I can't think of a single NHL player that would tweet something that stupid. McDavid should've demanded Hall be traded in his exit interview.

?-McDavid-Eberle
?-Nugent-Hopkins- Finnish kid
?- Draisaitl-Pouliot

That's a fine forward core to fill out. They don't need Taylor Hall. They need Adam Larsson

Larsson-Sekera
Klefbom-Demers
Davidson-Fayne

That's the best defense the Oilers have iced since Pronger.

[McClintock]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm sorry, I did a spit take on the idea of Eberle sheltering anyone.

No kidding..

Its just the way it is, Eberle plays against top competition every night, how well he does is pretty clear but Pulju will get the softer minutes in comparison.

[Otto29]

Mediocrity is king in Oilerville I guess. The stats are horrible so the trade is purely aesthetic.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by New Era

He isn't that far off in that assessment.



You need to stop buying the hype on Larsson. This kid was drafted to be a #1 defenseman with some offensive flair. He was thought of as the next Nicklas Lidstrom when he was picked. He hasn't lived up to any of that billing, in any shape or form. The Devils were considering Colborne-ing him up to last year, that's how disappointed they were in his development. He's been horrible offensively, one of the reasons he was drafted so highly. He's been solid in his own zone, but far from the number one he was supposed to be. He's a complimentary piece to a more skilled playing partner. He's more number 3 or 4 than anything, and that is before getting Oiler stink all over him. Larsson was a middling defender on the Devils and he will remain the same on the sad sack Oilers.

I strongly disagree with you. Suggesting his draft placement had anything to do with the trade is speculation to the highest order.

I'm not a draft expert of any kind...I simply watch Devils games and I'm impressed with his play...now, it is true, this is the first season I've been impressed with him, but I won't be shocked to see a top pairing D in his development... He's extremely patient and makes good, safe plays, even when in danger...seems very confident, too.

I don't know if he's worth Hall or whatever, but he's much better than many in here are giving him credit for.

P.s. That Lidstrom comment is bollocks too...if any defenseman were ever projected to be the next Lidstrom, they'd be the consensus 1st overall, in a landslide.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Regehr was elite in a different era. The game has changed.

I believe that stating the game has changed and placing the past player in the current game doesn't consider the fact that the player would have changed to suit the style of game being played presently.

I could edit the above, but I like how it's a loop. 2014 for a Stanley Cup isn't that much different an era.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Also, Larsson wasn't brought in to replace Hall's 30 goals. I assume no person would be so ridiculous to assume such a notion, but I can't say I'm not surprised. Chia will have to find alternative avenues to replace Halls goal totals.


And yes, Chia mentioned yesterday that Larsson is going to be the top pairing guy

You're the one that said:

"Make no mistake, the Oilers got better today".

They clearly did not.

They lost a significant portion of their offense in a horrible display of asset management, and added a 23 year old developing d-man that they're now going to throw into the deep end of that putrid defense with the expectations of being a saviour.

In no way does that series of events equate to there being no dispute that the Oilers "got better" yesterday. You need to give your head a shake, because that is a huge stretch.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Looking at what the Edmonton Oilers desperately need, and have needed for at least five years, this is what had to happen. They were never going to get a Weber/Subban calibre player for one of their golden children. They were going to have to a tier down and get someone with upside, but who wasn't necessarily the sexiest name.

Why should management get a pass for building a flawed team to begin with and taking this long to get a d-man.

What is the return for Hall, RNH, or Eberle if they would have traded one for a d-man the second they won the McDavid Lottery?

If Draisaitl was the player Montreal wanted for Subban why wouldn't they make that move and get a true #1 d-man.

Sure they had to move out of desperation now but if they would have been forward thinking and were terrible at managing their assets to begin with this wouldn't have happened.

The rumor was they wouldn't put Hall/Draisaitl on the table for Jones, only RNH - so now instead they trade Hall for the lesser d-man in Larsson.

Last season they were involved in plenty of rumors tied to the team and it always fell apart because the Oilers wanted the extra piece back or wouldn't move one of the Golden boys.

Just because they painted themselves into a corner they shouldn't get a pass for making a terrible trade now because of a "need".

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Incredibly misleading.

Hall isn't he best goal scorer in the NHL. He isn't the fastest. He isn't the toughest. He isn't a leader. He has low IQ. He is poor defensively.

One thing he is not just elite, but UBER-ELITE is how he always gets off the ice on a turnover, while having his replacement try to catch up on the play, and inevitably getting what should have been Hall's minus.

Elite I tell you, and that tweet only confirms how big that number is

What is misleading about it? Seeing that the Oilers goal differential improved with him on the ice is misleading how?

He's not an Oiler anymore man. This running joke of how he gives his teammates minuses on purpose is getting old and kinda ridiculous

My teammates on the local co-ed ball hockey league would not tolerate this behavior, but it's going on at the pro level of hockey where people are making millions?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by McClintock

Eberle will shelter Puljus minutes provided he doesn't getting traded.

Hall is LW
Puljujarvi is RW

(not that they cant switch sides but still)

What is does is gift a roster spot to him, ready or not.

[868904]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If Regehr = Larsson then the exact comparison would have been trading Lecavalier for Regher leading up to the 03/04 season.

At that point:

Regehr: GP: 282 Points: 36
Lecavalier: GP: 386 Goals: 114 Points: 261

Compared to:

Larsson: GP: 274 Points: 69
Hall: GP: 381 Goals: 132 Points: 328

IMO Larsson is a little more well rounded, and makes a better first pass - but at the same time Hall has outperformed Lecavalier's first 5 years. If I go back to the 02/03 off-season, and the Flames traded Regehr for Lecavalier I am probably streaking through downtown Calgary out of sheer excitement.

The rumour back in the day was that Tte Bruins wanted Regher for Joe Thornton and Darryl said no.