The Ongoing Coyotes Sale Thread

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

The city reply is so disengenoius.

So the parking rights could generate "millions" of dollars over the 30 year term.

Hello?!?! You are paying 100 million in full and upfront, it better make you 100's of millions over 30 years, not millions.

Would the mayor invest 100,000 in her private portfolio and in a high risk investment category simply to make thousands over the next 30 years? How dumb doe she think her constituantes are?

It's just a misleading piece of propaganda.

However, both parties say the other side won't meet, how does that work?

Finally, if you or I threatened to sue, the city would laugh. If GWI really has no standing, why ddint the city get an injunction months ago? It's too late now, so either the city is dumb and shouldn't be trusted to invest the city money they are trying to hide something.

Man, if parking is so lucrative, everybody should go into the business of making parking lots!

[Ducay]

Gah, Coyotes aside, I just wish Bettman would announce that *if* a team is to move, it would go to either Hamilton/SW Ontario or KC; I've had it up to here with the Jets fans.
Hey Jets fans, you live in a small city, get over it and pray for the best. Minnesota didn't get a team back by crying like a bunch of babies, now leave the rest of us alone.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

So Minnesota was just given a team right? Of course.

Hamilton, let's sell season tickets and make a website about why Canada deserves another team.

That's ok, I'm sure you'll have plenty of Full House reruns to enjoy while I watch the Jets j/k

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Gah, Coyotes aside, I just wish Bettman would announce that *if* a team is to move, it would go to either Hamilton/SW Ontario or KC; I've had it up to here with the Jets fans.
Hey Jets fans, you live in a small city, get over it and pray for the best. Minnesota didn't get a team back by crying like a bunch of babies, now leave the rest of us alone.

Pretty hard to throw stones considering we (Flames fans) have never been in their position before.

Hopefully we never have to experience losing our team.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by Gozer

*snicker*

ya ya spelling ... im not trying to play a PR game with falsehoods and white lies though.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

So Minnesota was just given a team right? Of course.

Hamilton, let's sell season tickets and make a website about why Canada deserves another team.

That's ok, I'm sure you'll have plenty of Full House reruns to enjoy while I watch the Jets j/k

Minny was promised a team long before they got it. When the North Stars moved, the league promised Minnesota that they would absolutely have a team in the next expansion draft. Winnipeg has never received any such promise.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Gah, Coyotes aside, I just wish Bettman would announce that *if* a team is to move, it would go to either Hamilton/SW Ontario or KC; I've had it up to here with the Jets fans.
Hey Jets fans, you live in a small city, get over it and pray for the best. Minnesota didn't get a team back by crying like a bunch of babies, now leave the rest of us alone.

This is exactly what I want. A heated rivalry between the Jets and Flames. Just like old times. You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until 1,000 rabid ex-Winnipeggers pack the Saddledome to watch Winnipeg vs Calgary. We will be worse than canuck fans. I guarantee it!

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

This is exactly what I want. A heated rivalry between the Jets and Flames. Just like old times. You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until 1,000 rabid ex-Winnipeggers pack the Saddledome to watch Winnipeg vs Calgary. We will be worse than canuck fans. I guarantee it!

Count me out. As a former Jets fan and Winnipegger... I bleed RED.

I love the Flames and (former) Jets, but the Flames have done a better job of loving me back.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

This is exactly what I want. A heated rivalry between the Jets and Flames. Just like old times. You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until 1,000 rabid ex-Winnipeggers pack the Saddledome to watch Winnipeg vs Calgary. We will be worse than canuck fans. I guarantee it!

Not likely, the Canucks have a good team. If Winnipeg gets the Phoenix franchise they should, at least to begin with, expect similar sucess to what they saw first time around. Bryz won't re-sign in the summer (especially once he and everyone else knows the team will be moving to the peg) and once he's gone, that team folds like a house of cards. The peg better also hope Dave Tippet likes Winnipeg winters because if they lose him and Bryz they'll have a hard time even competing with the Oilers next season. We'll see just how many "rabid" Winnipeggers pack the dome to see their bottom feeder team, I'll go out on a limb and guess very few.

If I was a fan of the "Jets" and excited about their potential return I would, given what happened last time, be focusing my concerns on packing (see: getting enough people inside everynight to allow the team to not have to fold and leave town after a couple years) the MTS centre. Once your little city has proven it can do that, maybe you can start thinking about "packing" some of the leagues other rinks.

[afc wimbledon]

I'm not sure why living in the 'Peg for 8 months a year with 5 million a year in the bank is any worse than Detroit or Minny or Buffalo or Edmonton. Hell Pittsburgh is no picture of beauty either.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Not likely, the Canucks have a good team.

If Winnipeg gets the Phoenix franchise they should, at least to begin with, expect similar sucess to what they saw first time around.

Bryz won't re-sign in the summer (especially once he and everyone else knows the team will be moving to the peg) and once he's gone, that team folds like a house of cards.

The peg better also hope Dave Tippet likes Winnipeg winters because if they lose him and Bryz they'll have a hard time even competing with the Oilers next season. We'll see just how many "rabid" Winnipeggers pack the dome to see their bottom feeder team, I'll go out on a limb and guess very few.

.

Have you ever been to Winnipeg? Dave Tippet does not sound like a type of Coach that would bail on a team because of a City..

Last time I checked he has a contract...

Wow talk about some big assumptions....

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm not sure why living in the 'Peg for 8 months a year with 5 million a year in the bank is any worse than Detroit or Minny or Buffalo or Edmonton. Hell Pittsburgh is no picture of beauty either.

Isolation. Lack of amenities. Even colder temperatures. Smaller city. Poor nightlife.

Shall I go on?

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Isolation. Lack of amenities. Even colder temperatures. Smaller city. Poor nightlife.

Shall I go on?

I'd live there for $5 million. OTOH, I'm living in Edmonton for a lot less.

Winnipeg might have to overpay a little bit, but if a player has to choose between playing on a 2nd line and making 2nd line money in Miami, or Nashville or LA or playing on a 1st line and making 1st line money in Winnipeg, I bet they'll choose Winnipeg.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Isolation. Lack of amenities. Even colder temperatures. Smaller city. Poor nightlife.

Shall I go on?

Not true, I spent allot of time at Winnipeg (for work off and on for a year or so). Winnipeg is a nice City.

The Winter's are cold for sure but so are the Winters in Edmonton..

If I recall the City is around 680,000. Not sure I would qualify that as a small City.

[troutman]

Everything falling apart in Glendale?

Time running out on Glendale USA Basketball deal
http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...ball-deal.html

Valley sports and business mogul Jerry Colangelo said he's disappointed a deal with Glendale to build the USA Basketball headquarters in the city's sports district fell apart.

Tea Party Patriots to initiate Glendale City Council recall

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...-patriots.html

The Glendale Tea Party Patriots voted this week to look into initiating a City Council recall.

"Tea party" members said Glendale is wasting taxpayer money by waging a lawsuit to block a proposed Tohono O'odham Nation reservation and casino. The city is appealing a March 3 ruling that upheld the creation of a reservation at 95th and Northern avenues.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by flambers

If I recall the City is around 680,000. Not sure I would qualify that as a small City.

Everything is relative. Every other city in the NHL is over a million, so Winnipeg is a small city by comparison.

Edmonton is currently the smallest NHL market. Metro-Edmonton (1,176,300) has over 400,000 more people than metro-Winnipeg (753,600): http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm


When the Flames moved to Calgary, Dan Bouchard asked for a trade almost immediately, and a lot of others players weren't overly happy about the relocation -- especially those who were married to women from Atlanta who had never seen snow.

In the early 80s, the players had a lot less control over where they played than they do now. Right now, the Coyotes only have 6 forwards signed for next season (and none for the seasons beyond), and both their goalies with be UFAs in July. It will be an interesting summer in Manitoba if the team does end up moving. I can't imagine what the Flames would have looked like in 1980 if free agency had existed like it does now.

[JBR]

Scott Burnside has reported that GWI and Hulsizer have met to discuss or negotiate.

Link

Burnside is not exactly on the inside with this one, but the possibility of this adds another chapter to this never-ending story

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Isolation. Lack of amenities. Even colder temperatures. Smaller city. Poor nightlife.

Shall I go on?

No worse than Minny or Buffalo, the players spend 2/3rds of the year either on the road or in their summer places in the Okanagan etc anyway.

I'm sure some players will choose not to play there, but given a half decent organization there are enough guys that grew up playing in Manitoba or Saskatchewan or Kenora or the like they will be able to compete.

Its not an NBA team were talking about, its hockey for gods sake, its supposed to be cold.

[Jets4Life]

[QUOTE=getbak;3040266]Everything is relative. Every other city in the NHL is over a million, so Winnipeg is a small city by comparison.[/quebec]

So is Green Bay (metro population 282,599), but they manage to do pretty well in the NFL.

Edmonton is currently the smallest NHL market. Metro-Edmonton (1,176,300) has over 400,000 more people than metro-Winnipeg (753,600): http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm

Raleigh-Cary,NC metro area only has 1,130,490
Buffalo-Niagara Falls,NY metro area had dropped to 1,137,520

So technically, Edmonton is the 3rd smallest market.

When the Flames moved to Calgary, Dan Bouchard asked for a trade almost immediately, and a lot of others players weren't overly happy about the relocation -- especially those who were married to women from Atlanta who had never seen snow.

It may happen. Thomas Steen decided to retire, rather than move to Phoenix. However, you would be looking at only a couple of players most likely, not a whole team. Additionally, the Canadian dollar is now worth more than the American dollar if it means anything. The economy of Winnipeg is much stronger than most places in the US right now as well

In the early 80s, the players had a lot less control over where they played than they do now. Right now, the Coyotes only have 6 forwards signed for next season (and none for the seasons beyond), and both their goalies with be UFAs in July. It will be an interesting summer in Manitoba if the team does end up moving. I can't imagine what the Flames would have looked like in 1980 if free agency had existed like it does now.

Well, by 1996, players had much control over where they wanted to play. In Winnipeg, nobody ever refused to play here, and the only holdout, if I can recall, was Keith Tkachuk, and that was over money. Sure there will be some wary NHLers, but at the end of the day Winnipeg will win them over. With the exception of Dieter Brock, we always do.

[tjinaz]

What will Winnipeg be like?

At least Edmonton has Calgary nearby, two cities of over 1 million. What is near Winnipeg?

It is not just the players either it is the families. Even with that kind of money who's wife would want to be in Winnipeg when they could be in Calgary or even LA, Denver or Dallas for 10% per year less? What is the point of having the money if there are such limited local amenities to spend it on? Say what you will about Miami, Nashville, Phoenix or Tampa, they definitely have some very swanky areas. Sure some of the Canadian players might like it but likely not the Euros or Americans. Even the younger players would rather enjoy the night life of the bigger cities over Winnipeg. Even the prospective owner everyone touts, Thomson, doesn't live there, what does that say?

Plus think of the local endorsement deals, how much is a player going to get paid there as opposed to a much larger media market?

The changes in the NHL will help Winnipeg in salary cap but the lower free agent age will definitely hurt them.