Israel declares war on Hamas

[BigThief]

You're kind of a gross little bugger eh

[TheIronMaiden]

disgusting

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

"Waaaah, everyone I disagree with is a ZIONIST!!!"


Yeah I bet you and your buddies with your swastikas and nazi saluting isn't fueling anti-semitism.





Well they were given 19 years to freely govern themselves and it ended with Oct 7 butchering, raping and burning women and children. Maybe it's time for Palestine to change you think?


When Palestine loves its children more than it loves killing Jews the war will end.

Thanks for proving my point on turning all Palestinians into Hamas. Really showing who you are.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Sliver

lol, you need a reality check, my friend.

If the other posters are like me, I imagine they put in zero seconds per year thinking negative thoughts toward Jewish people. I think about your religion as much as you think about Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Sikhism, Hellenistic Paganism, etc. Judaism is a big deal to you, but the rest of us aren't cruising around scheming against you or even thinking about your beliefs one way or another.

You're in a bubble, dude. You have inflated the role of Judaism in the everyday lives and efforts of non-Jews to such an extreme extent to be absolutely comical.

Is there anti-Semitism in the world? Of course. Islamophobia? Yes. Ever been on r/Christianity? Many of those guys - in their minds - are the victims of non-stop persecution for their beliefs. I think that goes with the territory of identifying with an "in-group" that holds a special place in the world/cosmos elevated from those not in that group.

As an areligious person, I believe all religions are totally ridiculous, but I honestly don't spend my time wishing harm or distress upon religious people. I don't want Jewish people to hurt and I don't want Muslims to hurt. I do object to the non-stop lobbing of "anti-Semite" at posters in this thread. It's straight-up stupid and portraying yourself is a victim when you're not (in here). I just want Israel, the country (remember, IDGAF about the dominant religion of the people there...I'm talking about a political apparatus operating a military force), to stop killing its neighbours. I also want Hamas to stop killing Israelis, but right now (as in the literal today) the problem is Israeli aggression.

BTW, I travelled to Poland to see Auschwitz. When I went, most people were going to party destinations for their little find-yourself adventures, but I did Poland, Germany and a couple other countries with a view to seeing the WWII locations myself. Auschwitz - if you've never been - is one fkd up, sad, sobering and horrific place. Rooms filled with people's eyeglasses. Suitcase rooms. They made mattresses out of shaved human hair. It's just fricken awful. I get what the Jewish people went through and understand the reason they required a safe haven, but let's focus on 2024 for one second and you can easily remove religion from the equation. I just want Israel - the country - to stop killing people in Gaza. It's no more complicated than that.

I wish Germany hadn't started the holocaust.

I wish the rape of Nanking never happened.

I was vehemently opposed to the invasion of Iraq.

I am completely opposed to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

I have a super consistent approach when it comes to the state-sponsored murder of groups of people.

How can you lob insults and insinuate evil intent at people like me in this thread who just want the killing to stop? If you support the invasion and destruction of Gaza and its people, you are clearly the bad guy here.

90% of this post is just worthless drivel, congrats I guess you went to Auschwitz and you are totally in tune with Jews and the suffering they went through. Man you are one deep and empathetic dude, good for you bro, put it on your facebook.


"I want the killing to stop" is such a worthless argument, it's like saying "I like things that are fun". No #### dude, that's literally everyone.


Until you accept that Hamas is...
-Comprised of Palestinians
-Enabled by Palestinians
-Protected by Palestinians
-Hides among Palestinians
-Supported by Palestinians


All you are saying is "Israel don't defend yourself, allow Hamas to rebuild and plan for the next Oct 7". That's what is coming out of your mouth every time you tell Isreal to not kill Hamas and end that organization. Israel has no choice in this matter, they have an obligation to protect their country and its people. You wouldn't dare say these things to any other country but for some odd reason it's ok to condemn Israel for protecting its people. And that is why people lump you in with Anti-semites.


"How can you lob insults and insinuate evil intent at people like me in this thread who just want the killing to stop? If you support the invasion and destruction of Gaza and its people, you are clearly the bad guy here."


So did you want them to allow ISIS to continue doing its thing? Hamas and ISIS are no different, both death cults that need to die. I wanna know were you out there protesting the attacks on ISIS? Would you have protested against the bombing of Germany in WW2? Innocent Germans died, surely that's some sort of war crime, the Allies should have shot the guns out of the germans hands and tazered them into submission!

[Looch City]

All your Hamas are belong to us!

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

90% of this post is just worthless drivel, congrats I guess you went to Auschwitz and you are totally in tune with Jews and the suffering they went through. Man you are one deep and empathetic dude, good for you bro, put it on your facebook.

"I want the killing to stop" is such a worthless argument, it's like saying "I like things that are fun". No #### dude, that's literally everyone.

Buuuuut, it's not you. You are in support of what Israel is doing in Gaza. You are in support of ongoing killing. That's not defending Israel, that's creating future existential threats to Israel. If I were a Palestinian in Gaza right now, I would be obsessed with exacting revenge on Israel for what they're currently doing. Israel is creating problems for itself that will last generations because of the approach you support lol.

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Until you accept that Hamas is...
-Comprised of Palestinians
-Enabled by Palestinians
-Protected by Palestinians
-Hides among Palestinians
-Supported by Palestinians

All you are saying is "Israel don't defend yourself, allow Hamas to rebuild and plan for the next Oct 7". That's what is coming out of your mouth every time you tell Isreal to not kill Hamas and end that organization. Israel has no choice in this matter, they have an obligation to protect their country and its people. You wouldn't dare say these things to any other country but for some odd reason it's ok to condemn Israel for protecting its people. And that is why people lump you in with Anti-semites.

I'm not saying Israel shouldn't be able to defend itself. I've said this over and over:

Originally Posted by Sliver

Nobody has said that. Nobody expects them to turn the other cheek. That's preposterous.

We expect them to hold those who planned, funded and perpetrated the attack to account.

That requires them going into any country on planet earth to find and kill any Hamas leadership that is responsible wherever they may be hiding. You need diplomacy and spies to make that happen. Get on it.

They also have the unenviable job of rooting out Hamas leadership within Gaza. That is difficult, dangerous, time consuming and doesn't have the whizz-bang factor that dropping bombs here there and everywhere has. It would require patience and the help/support of Palestinians.

A good way to have garnered support from Palestinians would have been to treat them like equal humans prior to October 7. Too late now for that, and as evidenced by the thoughtless takes in this thread, all of this madness started on October 7 and you aren't allowed to point out prior history or Israeli atrocities directed at Gazans. I'll let that part go because the cheerleaders for the Israeli army can't seem to hold these two thoughts in their heads simultaneously: the October 7 attack was evil, horrible and worthy of severe punishment/retribution AND Israel's response is going to make a dangerous situation worse and the slaughter of innocent civilians is unacceptable. Kinda weird how they're all up in arms (rightfully) at Hamas slaughtering their people, but can justify Israel slaughtering 10x (and counting) more Palestinians, but again, not here to argue that since I'm at the point where I have to accept that supporters of this Israeli government are not mentally equipped to grasp that.

In short, you'd have to be a moron to believe Israel doesn't have the right to respond. I believe you also have to be a moron to think anything and everything Israel does is permissible and acceptable as a response. There are responses that would be ethical, proportionate, punitive and substantive enough to deter future attacks; however, Israel's current approach is counter to all of those points. Their murderous and blood-thirsty response is unethical, disproportionate and will only worsen relations (and safety) in the area.

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

You wouldn't dare say these things to any other country but for some odd reason it's ok to condemn Israel for protecting its people. And that is why people lump you in with Anti-semites.

I anticipated your remark, which is why I gave examples of where I did "dare" say to other countries not to kill large swaths of people they view as enemies or lesser-thans. It's right there in the post you quoted.

Mods, I super understand the challenge of monitoring this thread, but I think it's time we start dolling out some consequences for these guys that continually accuse people of being anti-Semites. It's beyond the pale.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Thanks for proving my point on turning all Palestinians into Hamas. Really showing who you are.

2 sentences this time, impressive but try not to hurt yourself.

[PsYcNeT]

Lmao this guy out here walking around like the Dresden Bombing isn't widely regarded as a war crime in hindsight.

[Looch City]

Hahah, you have so much hatred, why not just sign up and go kill some Palestinian teens yourself? Be part of the solution and defend your state!

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Buuuuut, it's not you. You are in support of what Israel is doing in Gaza. You are in support of ongoing killing. That's not defending Israel, that's creating future existential threats to Israel. If I were a Palestinian in Gaza right now, I would be obsessed with exacting revenge on Israel for what they're currently doing. Israel is creating problems for itself that will last generations because of the approach you support lol.



I'm not saying Israel shouldn't be able to defend itself. I've said this over and over:





I anticipated your remark, which is why I gave examples of where I did "dare" say to other countries not to kill large swaths of people they view as enemies or lesser-thans. It's right there in the post you quoted.

Mods, I super understand the challenge of monitoring this thread, but I think it's time we start dolling out some consequences for these guys that continually accuse people of being anti-Semites. It's beyond the pale.

I am in support of killing Hamas, just like I am in favor of kill ISIS and hezbollah. Do tell were you in favor of stopping ISIS? I wanna know how your protests would stop them from committing a actual genocide.


Once again you gloss over the fact that Israel has not occupied Gaza in almost 20 years and THIS is the result. So where did that threat appear from? You are so concerned for future threats that you just ignore that 1200 people were murdered last year. What good is leaving Hamas alive if they will just attack again when they are ready?



Oh lord now you're crying to the mods, you sling countless insults and call people genocide enablers and all sorts of horrid #### and when something comes back at you you go running to the mods. You guys are just weak AF.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Lmao this guy out here walking around like the Dresden Bombing isn't widely regarded as a war crime in hindsight.

Why didn't they just shoot the guns outta their hands?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

"Waaaah, everyone I disagree with is a ZIONIST!!!"


Yeah I bet you and your buddies with your swastikas and nazi saluting isn't fueling anti-semitism.





Well they were given 19 years to freely govern themselves and it ended with Oct 7 butchering, raping and burning women and children. Maybe it's time for Palestine to change you think?






When Palestine loves its children more than it loves killing Jews the war will end.

You're scum.

Go #### yourself.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

What's the main reason? I ask because every Jewish friend I have seemed to have a lot of family pressure to marry Jewish. This is like 3 data points, so I'm not claiming statistical significance.

They also explained to me that from a religion perspective, they aren't exactly looking for new recruits, and it's not a super paved path for a gentile to join up. I don't love me a door knocking evangelical by any means, and really appreciate the fact I've never had someone try push their Jewish faith on me. It does make me wonder if the fact many Christian and Muslim sects are trying to attract people of all walks of life breaks down the ethnic barrier aspect of things a bit within those groups.

To say it more succinctly, are there cultural and religious factors that led to the lack of mixing and staying on the periphery of society (or being straight up ostracized) in many countries?

It's about preserving culture and resisting assimilation. If every Jewish person married a non-Jewish person, the Jewish people would simply cease to exist. Jewish people also have a history of being discriminated against heavily in Christian nations.

You're misrepresenting mainstream Christianity/Islam with all forms of those religions. There are plenty of versions of those religions that are also tied to ethnicity/culture. For example Greek Orthodox. It's almost entirely practiced by Greek people of Greek ethnicity.

The idea that Jewishness is unique at being based around ethnic background is totally absurd and just hateful. In fact, research has shown that 58% of all Jews in America married non-Jews, with rates being much higher for non-religious Jews:

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...-demographics/

The survey suggests that intermarriage is common among Jews; 44% of all currently married Jewish respondents – and 58% of those who have married since 2005 – indicate they are married to a non-Jewish spouse.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...-demographics/


So to answer your question. No Jews do not discriminate against other ethnicities more than any other cultural/ethnic group.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

I am in support of killing Hamas, just like I am in favor of kill ISIS and hezbollah. Do tell were you in favor of stopping ISIS? I wanna know how your protests would stop them from committing a actual genocide.

Once again you gloss over the fact that Israel has not occupied Gaza in almost 20 years and THIS is the result. So where did that threat appear from? You are so concerned for future threats that you just ignore that 1200 people were murdered last year. What good is leaving Hamas alive if they will just attack again when they are ready?

I'm not ignoring the 1200 people who were murdered. I think Hamas and its backers should be rooted out and killed. I've said as much numerous times to you hah.

I know what you're ignoring, though. Here's some stats on the suffering Israel and Palestinians have inflicted on each other since 2008. If you care about the 1200 dead Israelis, I assume you'll also see the trouble with those killed at the hands of Israelis?

Originally Posted by Sliver

Do you know if Israel was violent at all toward Palestinians prior to October 7? Like, do you know if Israel killed more Palestinians in every single year than the other way around?

Oh hai, I found some info on that (citation):
2008 - 2024 - 6,847 Palestinian fatalities at the hands of Israel (data on casualties in the Gaza Strip are not added post October 7, 2023 until these incidents have been independently verified).

2008 - 2024 - 321 Israeli fatalities at the hands of Palestinians.

That Israel is pretty scrappy for a peaceful nation, guy.

Maybe the injuries will tell a different story...oh wait, nope! Turns out the peace-loving IDF likes inflicting injuries on Palestinians, too:

2008 - 2024 - 158,123 Palestinian injuries at the hands of Israel (data on injuries in the Gaza Strip are not added post October 7, 2023 until these incidents have been independently verified).

2008 - 2024 - 6,449 Israeli injuries at the hands of Palestinians.

I assume this will change nothing about how you view the situation lol.

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Oh lord now you're crying to the mods, you sling countless insults and call people genocide enablers and all sorts of horrid #### and when something comes back at you you go running to the mods. You guys are just weak AF.

Stating facts and backing them up with evidence from your own words isn't insulting. It's interesting you take it as an insult, though. When a mirror is held up to what you say and how you express your thoughts you find it insulting? Well, maybe that's progress haha.

[jayswin]

Sin binned. I feel bad for the regular Israel support crew on CP. They all left for awhile after supporting some terrible things, but now they all came racing back thinking they had a new supporter to help their side.

Then they had to watch him get worse and worse, showing less humanity and more bloodlust by the day, now they'll have to wait awhile to be a united front again.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sin binned. I feel bad for the regular Israel support crew on CP. They all left for awhile after supporting some terrible things, but now they all came racing back thinking they had a new supporter to help their side.

Then they had to watch him get worse and worse, showing less humanity and more bloodlust by the day, now they'll have to wait awhile to be a united front again.

Lol.

Do you seriously think anyone is sitting around hoping to win internet points by challenging people on here in debates?

[Looch City]

Wait he's sin binned now? That basically confirms that mods are anti semites.

Smh. CP has fallen far.

[Muta]

Walking into this thread for the first time in ages today:

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

I wonder how thrilled Skooterbeeten would be if I came to his house with a bunch of guys and told him "sorry man all land is stolen some time in history, please pack your stuff and get out "

That's literally what's happening in the West Bank and other settlements with Americans coming from New York who couldn't find israel on a map but are somehow entitled to land in a place they've never been until stealing it.

Send your address scooter, let's see how much you actually believe what you're saying.

So it’s permitted for Pornstache to make up stories of Jews from New York moving to Israel and kicking Palestinians out of their homes when Jews from Canada and the United States make up less than 2% of Israeli immigrants over the last decade? How is this not spreading hatred towards Jewish communities in North America?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Beninho

So it’s permitted for Pornstache to make up stories of Jews from New York moving to Israel and kicking Palestinians out of their homes when Jews from Canada and the United States make up less than 2% of Israeli immigrants over the last decade? How is this not spreading hatred towards Jewish communities in North America?

Are you actually denying that settlers aren't moving from the united states and stealing land in the West Bank?

Not sure why you're so offended that I mentioned new york. Could be florida, California but it's a fact.

They even are holding real estate sales only open to jewish buyers in America and here in Canada. Land in the West Bank that was recently stolen.