Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think somewhere along the line a bunch of canadian media personalities just latched onto the narrative and made a habit of saying it. In spite of the cupless drought and stats that refute the claim they probably won't relinquish it any time soon either.

I actually didn't realize he was 2nd and 3rd in those categories. I guess they got me.

I'd love a sit down with staples or stauffer to explain to me what metrics he is the best in the world in.

Crossovers, perhaps?

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

McDavid is the most overrated player this generation without a doubt. He's a very selfish, flawed player who is unable to perform and deliver in key games that matter for championships. Continuously blaming his teammates or coaches since he won't be accountable for his own poor performance in aspects of his game other than offense.

Marcel Bure?
Pavel Dionne?

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'd love a sit down with staples or stauffer to explain to me what metrics he is the best in the world in.

Crossovers, perhaps?

He’s certainly the best at disappearing in important games. That’s two Cup finals in a row now where he’s been a complete no-show when it matters most. Same goes for Pissy.

[The EBUG's EBUG]

73.9% of those polled in last year's NHLPA poll had him the best overall forward.
66.4% had him the best overall skater.

Get this freak the hell out of this division please.

[VilleN]

It's just crazy to me that at this point they don't question McDavid's supposed greatness in the media. The guy doesn't win. He has all the talent in the world, but he doesn't put the team on his back - he doesn't force the team to compete the way a guy like Crosby is able to. Crosby's greatness transcends skill - it's about his impact as a leader, his ability to rise to the occasion when the game is on the line - and to bring his team with him. McDavid is just a better Pavel Bure in my mind - super high skill, and nothing else - which is fine, but no one allowed him to be just that - he always had to be the next Crosby. Let him be the most skilled player to play the game - but he doesn't have greatness the way a Crosby, or a Michael Jordan has.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I think somewhere along the line a bunch of canadian media personalities just latched onto the narrative and made a habit of saying it. In spite of the cupless drought and stats that refute the claim they probably won't relinquish it any time soon either.

I actually didn't realize he was 2nd and 3rd in those categories. I guess they got me.

I'd love a sit down with staples or stauffer to explain to me what metrics he is the best in the world in.

Crossovers, perhaps?

McDavid is to best player in the NHL like the United States is to the greatest country in the world. Neither is true by any meaningful measure.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Reputation over substance at this stage.

When he was putting up that 150 point season it was probably true (by sheer force and dominance, since he's never had the 200 foot game down). Lately? Not sure it holds up.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by VilleN

It's just crazy to me that at this point they don't question McDavid's supposed greatness in the media. The guy doesn't win. He has all the talent in the world, but he doesn't put the team on his back - he doesn't force the team to compete the way a guy like Crosby is able to. Crosby's greatness transcends skill - it's about his impact as a leader, his ability to rise to the occasion when the game is on the line - and to bring his team with him. McDavid is just a better Pavel Bure in my mind - super high skill, and nothing else - which is fine, but no one allowed him to be just that - he always had to be the next Crosby. Let him be the most skilled player to play the game - but he doesn't have greatness the way a Crosby, or a Michael Jordan has.

I mean you could argue he puts the team on his back, considering how bad that team looks without him. Does anyone think this Oilers team had any business being a game or 2 away from a cup?

You can argue he choked in the final games, I think Florida just knows how to play him well. That team is nothing without McDavid lol.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

We just saw him on a team with ample support and he still faded when it mattered. Other players created the most crucial goals in the elimination games.

I think he just has a ceiling and it's directly influenced by how much pressure there is.

He's excellent below that ceiling. But objectively speaking I don't think you can call a player with that cap the best in the game.

Some oilers fans will be offended by that, but bold claims come with scrutiny. And their shills love dishing them out.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I think somewhere along the line a bunch of canadian media personalities just latched onto the narrative and made a habit of saying it. In spite of the cupless drought and stats that refute the claim they probably won't relinquish it any time soon either.

I actually didn't realize he was 2nd and 3rd in those categories. I guess they got me.

I'd love a sit down with staples or stauffer to explain to me what metrics he is the best in the world in.

Crossovers, perhaps?

I mean, isn't it obvious?

It's scoring. I mean he leads the league in points...oops, nevermind, he's 2nd.
But like, he's been the best for the last few years...you can't judge him based on this point in time...sorry, Nikita who?

Who cares about the last few seasons, we ARE talking about today!

At least he's #1 in goals...what? 4th?
Who cares, he's a play maker, he's got the most assists...or like almost the most...

Guys, it's not about a single stat. Look at his 200 ft game. And yeah, don't tell me about +/-, everyone knows that doesn't tell the whole story. Besides, he's like less thant 50 behind Mackinnon, so it's not like it's even a big deal.

But, what we're really talking about is even strength goals and points...where he's...up there

THE POWER PLAY. That's what really matters these days. The guy is a goal scoring monster...Sure he's tied for 12th...but you know what...you can't spell 12 without #1 Baby.

So now that we've clearly proved none of that other stuff matters, clearly we are talking about Power Play points where he sits neatly at the top of the league.

See, pretty obvious. He's clearly the best player in the world.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I mean you could argue he puts the team on his back, considering how bad that team looks without him. Does anyone think this Oilers team had any business being a game or 2 away from a cup?

You can argue he choked in the final games, I think Florida just knows how to play him well. That team is nothing without McDavid lol.

The other two in the conversation are players who have three cup rings between them. They had good teams with them, but McDavid wasn't without help either. Draisaitl is clearly an elite player. RNH and Hyman are very good. Bouchard produces a lot of points.

Edmonton also got to the cup finals through a lot of smoke and mirrors, and in their first run was lucky to get to 7 after being down in the series. Look at what happened when they played a team that was actually good and played to their abilities, in 22-23.

[Tbull8]

He should be getting the same treatment Ovi got before he won but he won’t because he’s Canadian.

[dino7c]

The Oilers playoff path has also been ridiculously easy the last couple years

Vancouver, LA, Vegas, to get to the West finals

[CalgaryFan1988]

He must be #1 in ice time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

He must be #1 in ice time.

Last 2 seasons yes (for forwards). Last 3 seasons 2nd to Mackinnon (but the difference isn't much at all). Kucherov is significantly below them.

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seas...rds-stats.html

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

So you're telling me Kucherov is quite a bit more potent at generating offense when he is on the ice.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

So you're telling me Kucherov is quite a bit more potent at generating offense when he is on the ice.

All I can say is that he leads in PP/60 (all situations) whether you go back any relevant period of time over the last 10 years.

[topfiverecords]

There is one stat that McDavid is far and ahead at.

[Snuffleupagus]

Usually twice a game McDavid shows crazy speed for a highlight play that results in a goal, usually four or five times a game he coughs up the puck, stands & watches the other team either score or get a great chance.

Best player my ass