Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I can't see Katz agreeing to trade McDavid. Bowman doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who traded McDavid.

I think he plays out his contact and signs elsewhere. I don't see Edmonton villifying him. He gave up several million to help the team build a winner. He gave it his all. After 13 years, it is his right to chase a cup elsewhere.

Edmonton has no picks or prospects. McDavid plays out his contract and walks without the Oilers recovering any kind of futures, this team is looking at a generation to rebuild. I mean, you could argue Calgary's rebuild began the moment Johnny Gaudreau walked for nothing and we're still years away from competing. Imagine what it would be like in Edmonton. The GM up there has a fiduciary obligation to get something in return for McDavid if he's not going to sign long term.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I can't see Katz agreeing to trade McDavid. Bowman doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who traded McDavid.

I think he plays out his contact and signs elsewhere. I don't see Edmonton villifying him. He gave up several million to help the team build a winner. He gave it his all. After 13 years, it is his right to chase a cup elsewhere.

I agree. McDavid has been the golden goose for that organization. I feel Katz is going to do everything possible to keep McDavid for his entire career as he knows that once he leaves, then his empire is going to crash as Rogers will drop the Oilers lovefest like a dirty shirt to chase the next Canadian star and the Oilers will return to being largely ignored like the Flames, Jets, and Canucks. The only way the Oilers trade him is if McDavid tells the Oilers point blank he's not going to return after this deal expires and he's shown to be pretty wishy washy to date.

[Reggie Dunlop]

McDavid owes it to the team who first gave him a chance.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Trade Zary, Coronato and Whitecloud for McAvi. Oilers need to throw something in too.

No!

Don’t want that lazy, self-centred enitled, won-nothing-ever Eff anywhere near our young hard-working guys.

[Sofa GM]

I for one hope McDavid signs in Edmonton long term and finishes his career with the Oilers. McDavid is the most overrated player this generation without a doubt. He's a very selfish, flawed player who is unable to perform and deliver in key games that matter for championships. Continuously blaming his teammates or coaches since he won't be accountable for his own poor performance in aspects of his game other than offense.

Connor McDavid is +8 having 116 pts, that is almost impossible to achieve. Plus/minus is not a perfect stat and is often referred to as a team stat, but it is indicative of individual player performance when you play close to 25 mins per game on average. Being he is elite offensively; he only marginally is able to cover his lack of performance in the defensive side of the game.

This player has burned through some pretty elite head coaches with strong NHL credentials. He is clearly not a coachable player and just decides that the coaches message does not apply to him. He's a poor leader, poor example, clearly focused on nothing else other than personal stats and achievements. You simply never win with these players, and I completely expect that McDavid won't lift a Cup in his career unless it is as a passenger player in the twilight of his career.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

McDavid owes it to the team who first gave him a chance.

Lord knows not many teams would have.

[Reggie Dunlop]

To me, I ask myself “where would Connor be the most miserable?” And I happily answer “Edmonton.”

[Vinny01]

Call me crazy but I would prefer if the Oilers did not keep the guy with almost 1,200 pts in 783 games and 150pts in 96 playoff games.

The Oilers roster has been trash for most of the run McDavid has had in Edmonton but they have made the finals 2x in a row and have won 10 playoff rounds in his time there.

To try and argue McDavid is part of the problem in Edmonton is certainly a choice I think he is by far the main reason they have had more success in the last 5 years than the Flames have had in the last 36

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/2036129924520550644

[Jiggy_12]

He's interviewing the trainers for the head coaching position

[Reggie Dunlop]

He's hurting on the inside.

[Robbob]

There is no doubt he is an elite player. I think looking back the narrative will be he succeeded (expect for winning the cup) in Edmonton despite the road blocks Edmonton put up as a horrible franchise. If he was drafted by another organization I truly believe he would be a better player and would have won something by now.

At the end of the day the window in Edmonton is all but closed and if he chooses to stay all three seasons, the only thing he will accomplish is piling up points. He just passed Marleau for most career points without winning the Stanley cup and sits at 17th. By the end of the year he will be in the 14th or 15th spot passing the likes of Ciccarelli, Nicholls, and Roenick.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/2036129924520550644

Does being butt hurt qualify him for LTIR and cap relief?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Does being butt hurt qualify him for LTIR and cap relief?

Only if it is 30 consecutive days or 11 games.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Only if it is 30 consecutive days or 11 games.

And there's an LTIR cap now. So only of limited use (not that it even matters post TDL).

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

He's just a supremely talented stats padder.

There are greater things to aspire to, and he never really did in Edmonton. That he's still called the best player on earth is both overstated and is setting that bar not as high as it should be set.

He's never won outside of a gimmicky four team tournament in all of his league play since junior. When it goes on this long there has to be something to that.

I think it's the simple fact that he puts personal glory ahead of his team's. When the chips are down he can't help but try those risky plays for said glory and gets burned for it as a result, whereas a player like Crosby was able to shelf the fancy #### when it mattered and shore up the other areas of his game to an above average level to help his Pens teams cross the finish line.

He's always had the potential to be the best ever, but by being unabashed enablers and never pushing him but just catering all the time by bringing in his friends and former coaches, the Oilers have kept him chugging along as he's always been, with the same strengths but also the same warts. They're also godawful at building a team lol.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Call me crazy but I would prefer if the Oilers did not keep the guy with almost 1,200 pts in 783 games and 150pts in 96 playoff games.

The Oilers roster has been trash for most of the run McDavid has had in Edmonton but they have made the finals 2x in a row and have won 10 playoff rounds in his time there.

To try and argue McDavid is part of the problem in Edmonton is certainly a choice I think he is by far the main reason they have had more success in the last 5 years than the Flames have had in the last 36

He is both the main reason they’ve had such success and is part of the problem in Edmonton.

[GioforPM]

I don't know what standard they are using to proclaim him "best player in the game". It can't be points because, over the last 3 seasons, he's third in total points. Second in PPG. Second in PP/60. Third in even strength PP/60.

[BaconGuy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't know what standard they are using to proclaim him "best player in the game". It can't be points because, over the last 3 seasons, he's third in total points. Second in PPG. Second in PP/60. Third in even strength PP/60.

Its obviously not 2-way game

[topfiverecords]

It’s one of those “if SportsNet says it four times an hour for eternity then it must be true” sorts of things for the dimwitted segment of the population.